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National Dialogue — Promising concept or an illusion of progress for SA?

President Cyril Ramaphosa’s announcement on Tuesday night of a National Convention to start a National Dialogue is clearly meant to get South Africans talking to each other about solving our problems. Be careful what you wish for.
NationalDialogue-Risks-Concerns-Grootes There are some important questions to ask about President Cyril Ramaphosa's proposed National Dailogue. (Photos: Bloomberg via Getty Images / Waldo Swiegers / Simon Dawson)

At face value the concept of a national dialogue has much to recommend it. We are clearly in deep trouble, and many of our problems appear to be getting worse. 

The national coalition government appears to have made little progress, our economy is barely stuttering, and the number of people who are unemployed, or under-employed, continues to rise no matter how you define it.

And of course, as President Cyril Ramaphosa pointed out, there is our history of a negotiated settlement that ended apartheid. A settlement that is still blamed today for some of our serious problems.

All of that said, there are some important questions to ask about the wisdom of this idea.

Firstly, very few leaders give up any power voluntarily. Ramaphosa, as leader of the ANC, is appearing to give the impression that the ANC will accept whatever settlement is reached through this process. But at the same time, the ANC will not, easily at least, be able to veto any settlement.

This is hugely significant. For the conspiratorially minded, it may even suggest that he has accepted that the ANC will never actually have a large amount of state power again. 

For some, it could even suggest he has very little faith in whoever will replace him as leader of the ANC.

And it certainly reminds us that he has failed to enact a new “social compact”, something he has promised since before he was even elected leader of the ANC.

Different agenda

However, Ramaphosa might actually have a slightly different agenda.

Calls for this national dialogue have been growing for several years. For a long time people called for an “Economic Codesa”, to allow different role players in the economy to sit down and work out how to grow our economy.

The person who has been the loudest in his calls for this event is former president Thabo Mbeki

Read more: Second Codesa — a seemingly attractive idea that does not translate well into the real world

It is interesting then that his foundation, and the foundations of other former presidents, have not been included in the list of people who are supposed to be guiding the process.

It must be said that including Mbeki, in any form, is unlikely to be constructive. He has shown that he appears focused on protecting his own legacy. 

His conduct in the case of the Cradock Four families, in which he opposed an inquiry into the non-prosecution of those denied amnesty by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, suggests a very personal motivation.

Read more: Transformative or talkshop: Ramaphosa’s National Dialogue welcomed, but will it lead to real change?

To claim that his character is “priceless” in the face of questions from the families about why the government he led did not prosecute those who killed their fathers and husbands appears to defy rationality.

The sheer number of people involved is also interesting.

Thirty-one people are included on Ramaphosa's Eminent Persons Group  from the most incredibly diverse backgrounds.Their role is to guide and champion the National Dialogue.

While there are business leaders and unionists (none of them are current, but they include Bobby Godsell and Bheki Ntshalintshali) there is also a rugby captain (you know the one), a mountaineer (Sibusiso Vilane), a rocket scientist, a storyteller, the chair of the National Planning Commission (Professor Tinyiko Maluleke), both Bishop Barnabas Lekganyane and Bishop Engenas Lekganyane (representing different strands of the Zion Christian Church), one Anglican Archbishop, an actor (John Kani), a football coach (Desiree Ellis) a former Constitutional Court Judge (Edwin Cameron) and Miss South Africa (Mia le Roux may in fact be there not to represent beauty pageant winners, but as a person who grew up deaf, representing people living with disabilities).

While there is much wisdom on this list, it is also not clear what value some others may bring. 

Impossible position

And they have now been placed in an impossible position. It would be hard to say no to the Presidency, and yet now they are going to be asked questions about their views on our politics.

Someone like Siya Kolisi, almost universally respected, may find this hugely uncomfortable. Like singers and actors who have made political comments, he has no experience in making trade-offs and has no constituency to protect.

Now they will be thrust into the harsh glare of our political spotlight.

But this list is also curious because of who is left out.

Some ancient schisms, such as that in the Zion Christian Church, are recognised, while others, such as that in the Christian church, are not. There is an Anglican representative but not a Catholic one.

Perhaps more importantly, no one appears to represent that most under-represented group in our politics, those who have no job and no income.

This gets to the heart of one of our economic problems: organised groups that represent people who are unemployed, such as the Unemployed Peoples Movement, are often left out of the conversation and thus they have very little voice in our society. 

Huge omission

That said, it is a huge omission.

It should also be noted that the sheer size of this committee may in fact be an attempt to make sure that nothing is done, that no agreement is reached on anything.

This might well be the ruse of an experienced politician, who knows that putting so many people in a room, from so many different parts of our society, will simply result in endless arguments.

Technically, this is supposed to result in a bottom-up approach, where people will be given the chance to speak in different parts of the country.

On paper, this is inherently democratic.

In practice, it can lead to undemocratic outcomes, as the most organised and the loudest voices can overwhelm the debate.

And our institutions have shown time and time again that public consultation can be ignored.

For years energy regulator Nersa has held public hearings before deciding whether to increase electricity prices. Despite so many people publicly opposing tariff increases, power prices have risen by more than 653% since 2007 (inflation during that time was 129%).

Economic reality

The reason Nersa did that, despite hearing from so many people who opposed it, was because of economic reality. Eskom needed the money.

Public consultation is very often about hearing what people want. Making decisions is about what is possible. Nersa has understood that (Eskom has often complained it has not increased prices enough) and thus had to ignore the public comments.

Read more: Nelson Mandela Bay faces electricity crisis: proposed 12.8% tariff hike sparks controversy

This is why bodies like Nersa are given legal authority to make decisions. They can force people to accept the outcome.

This process will have nothing like that.

It is also a fallacy to think that getting people in a room together will result in them getting closer. Yes, it can happen. But it can also lead to heightened tensions.

During the Codesa talks, the stakes were so incredibly high that very few people were prepared to use violence. The one group that was, the right-wing AWB, eventually used an armoured car to disrupt the talks.

But their support was tiny and measured in the hundreds.

There are now people in our society who publicly oppose our Constitution and have used violence in the past. One of them, Jacob Zuma, won the support of nearly 2.3 million people in last year’s election. He will surely demand to be a part of this process.

Incentive

Also, before 1994 all of the parties involved knew there would be an election after the process. As a result there was an incentive to appear to be constructive.

No such incentive will be present in this situation.

Currently, one of the great divides in our politics is between parties and constituencies that support the Constitution, and parties and constituencies that don’t. This process of a National Dialogue risks giving those who oppose the Constitution, in all sorts of ways, a much louder voice.

Imagine, for example, the separatist voices in our society, those who want independence for the Zulu Kingdom, or those who identify as Afrikaners, or who believe the Western Cape really is different to Mzansi, working together to dominate the process.

Also, considering how our politics is in the process of fracturing, creating more parties representing more diverse constituencies, the result could just be a cacophony of voices, making it difficult to come to any conclusion at all.

It is true that South Africa is in a difficult, and sometimes dangerous position.

As Ramaphosa himself said, in his eulogy for Winnie Madikizela-Mandela in 2018: “We must acknowledge that we are a society that is hurting, damaged by our past, numbed by our present and hesitant about our future.”

He was entirely correct. 

The history of South Africa, so violent and oppressive, has created deep scars. And thus deep tensions.

Sometimes our society can almost look like the most complicated knot of different types of string. When you pull it, you might be able to make sense of it all. 

Maybe.

But you also risk pulling the entire ball apart. DM

Comments

ivorfun Jun 12, 2025, 06:55 AM

It’s an inherently “racist” panel of political has been. No representation from “WMC” and I’m not sure how you debate economics without business and economists. Besides unemployment, massive population growth is probably the biggest problem of all. Virtually all of who will be added to the population in the next while will be those in extreme poverty. This discussion is obviously a very hot potato.

Francois Smith Jun 12, 2025, 09:04 AM

All know that BEE is the root of the problems. Eskom failed and along with it businesses that relied on cheap reliable energy. Everything the ANC touched, turned into a mess. The answer is simple - get the ANC out of business and out of society. These talks will not resolve anything. The 2027 and 2029 ballots will.

D'Esprit Dan Jun 12, 2025, 09:50 AM

Not sure what Bobby Godsell and Robbie Brozin represent, in that case. Sure, Godsell is from a past generation of Anglo American leaders, but you don't get much more WMC than Anglo. On the whole, this panel is pretty pathetic in terms of actual leaders who will make an actual difference and come up with actual proposals. Seems like they're largely handpicked from Cyril's 1990s country club buddies.

D'Esprit Dan Jun 12, 2025, 10:09 AM

We also don't have a 'massive propulation growth' problem - if the economy had grown at only 3% a year over the last three decades, we'd have a minor inconvenience of an unemployment problem. Our population growth rate is around 1.5% a year and declining, our economic growth rate in constant terms since Cyril took over is 0.7% - it's abomniable economic policy, not population growth. More than enough money for jobs and social services, it's just been stolen by the ANC elite.

superjase Jun 12, 2025, 11:44 AM

you're right. it is an "inherently 'racist'" panel. white peopl are over-represented by a factor of more than two. not sure what you're on about.

Michele Rivarola Jun 12, 2025, 07:08 AM

As usual SA's economy needs rescuing and who is under represented? Business. A lot of yes people, notably missing Madonsela, Zondo and whole host of "tell it like it is" people and business persons some of whom even saved Ramaphosa from a savage attack by Trump. That's gratitude for you.

D'Esprit Dan Jun 12, 2025, 07:27 AM

It's just classic Ramaphosa: kick the can down the road by appointing a committee. He has been a bitter disappointment in his time in office and has achieved virtually nothing, other than crashing the ANC below 50% (which is something to be grateful for, I suppose). How many committees, inquiries and dialogues do we need, when the issues are so bloody obvious: kick out the Ministers who block economic development and jail the corrupt.

megapode Jun 12, 2025, 11:16 AM

Yep. Kicking the can down the road - something Mbeki was also good at. This looks like an all too common game in our politics. Just do something that you can say "we heard you and we took action." But you don't actually do anything more than hire a venue and a couple of facilitators. I actually respect quite a few of these people, but they are out of place in such a conference, and there's too many of them.

Jun 12, 2025, 07:40 AM

Under the ANC South Africa’s people have lost hope. Without hope of a useful qualification and a job why would learners bother to study. Without hope of justice from police and the courts crime seems to pay because criminals have nothing to lose. Without hope for the future of their children people with skills and resources emigrate in droves. South Africa needs hope. Will this consultation come up with something that gives hope? I have my doubts.

Hilary Morris Jun 12, 2025, 07:45 AM

The ultimate in the kicking the can down the road syndrome for which Ramaphosa is so famous. While I usually comment then read others, this time reversed it and am horrified that Madonsela and Zondo not there, while many other irrelevants are! Maybe that's the answer? Hate being so sceptical. Just delay the inevitable!

Michael Bowes Jun 12, 2025, 07:56 AM

Another Ramadolittle idea. The ANC has always believed that if something was said, something was done. But talk is cheap..........let them get on with it. Who knows??

Rod MacLeod Jun 12, 2025, 08:03 AM

Maybe the fracturing needs to be just that - the break up of what was once called the Union of South Africa. Maybe we need KZN to be hived off into a kingdom on its own. Maybe the Western Cape should become a separate republic. Or maybe SA should become a federal union of 9 states. Get away from this Soviet era fixation on "Gosplan", perpetual 5 year central plans that fail repeatedly only to be replaced by a "new deal" next 5 year plan. Carrying on as we are is just terminal insanity.

Dragon Slayer Jun 12, 2025, 08:19 AM

It is a copout by a president devoid of any real leadership capacity to do what is needed. It may stoke division if there is real honesty about the root causes of SA's failure. It may be a damp if people default to political expediency. The realty is that corruption is like colon cancer you can survive if you catch it in time. Kleptocracy is brain cancer it is fatal.

Jun 12, 2025, 08:34 AM

If you want to design a really shitty and useless motor car, give the work to a committee rather than a dedicated and qualified engineer who knows what he's doing. This is simply a national committee of unqualified icons which is being tasked with the near impossible task of undoing 31 years of destructive ANC rule. Ramaphosa exceeding even his woeful and endless appointment of teams and committees to yap endlessly while accomplishing nothing.

euge Jun 12, 2025, 08:36 AM

South Africans spoke at the last elections, and the need for change is clear. The national dialogue appears to be another “good idea”, but is it not just delaying the elected government from taking up their responsibility of acting in the interest of South Africans, and not just in the interests of a party, or themselves. Rome is burning, whilst our elected leaders are fiddling - reset the agenda’s and stop playing the same old tunes and serve South Africa - the time is now

Karl Sittlinger Jun 12, 2025, 08:54 AM

Everybody knows the issues, we need neither a national dialog nor another fake promise of a social compact. What we need is definitive action on crime, more transparency and accountability, all of which Ramaphosa is simply not in favor of. Most decisions he has made till now has been purely to feed and keep the ANC in power. This is yet another deflection of a criminals organization who is seeing its rent flying away.

Suntosh Pillay Jun 12, 2025, 09:19 AM

Excellent analysis!

André Pelser Jun 12, 2025, 09:45 AM

As mentioned by others, there are notable omissions- Mthomb, Madonsela, Gumede, Moletsi Mbeki, Christo van Rheede, Zondo and other notables - business leaders and leading economists. I would like to see the agenda and who will chair and administer this process, also the envisaged time frame and cost.

Sonnielo Jun 13, 2025, 06:33 AM

Agreed

André Pelser Jun 12, 2025, 09:46 AM

Mthombi

Bennie Morani Jun 12, 2025, 10:21 AM

For once the EFF and MK are on the money. The gathering of this motley and unaccountable group will achieve nothing.

Hari Seldon Jun 12, 2025, 11:01 AM

waste of time - CR just a weak ineffectual president. Its clear what needs to be done - fire useless ministers, attract FDI. While the conversations will be fascinating with the people in this group - it's just wasting time if it delays attending to firing ministers or doing everything possible to attract FDI.

megapode Jun 12, 2025, 11:18 AM

Dilbert's rule for determining the IQ of a meeting should be applied here. You start at 100, then deduct 10 for each person around the table.

Roly Boardman Jun 12, 2025, 11:54 AM

Another large talk show coming up!!

Sam van Coller Jun 12, 2025, 12:14 PM

South Africa has layers of problems that will take years to solve. They can only be solved by politicians, business and citizens working together. While those in power continue to argue about Structural Reform and a National Democratic Revolution, poverty will only get worse. We need positive short-term action that will give hope and mobilise the considerable human energy that exists. This will help long-term. Maybe somebody on the group will come up with some brilliant suggestions

Robinson Crusoe Jun 12, 2025, 12:52 PM

This is all very nice, and that's it. The heart of the matter is a very basic, fundamental, lived-experience thing - municipal competence and integrity. Thousands of men and women have salaries to 'run' the scores of municipalities in SA. Most of these municips are in a state of collapse. Toughen up Ramaphosa. Fix the municipalities. It's no fancy chat-show. It's direct, real, grounded work to be tackled. Fix them and change will well up from where people live.

Rod MacLeod Jun 12, 2025, 01:55 PM

This thought is aligned with Mayor Giuliani's ground breaking "broken windows" policy in New York before he was corrupted by the Sentient Naartjie. Fix the local government first, and the effort will filter upwards. But then you sever the life-line of fraud and corruption. So, guess where this initiative will end up? 8,635 pages of minutes, ZAR 4,35 bn in costs, and a report the President might consider releasing dependent on content and conclusion.

mpadams Jun 12, 2025, 02:26 PM

What legal heft will the outcome of this National Dialogue carry? The ANC still makes unilateral decisions on policy no matter how much their GNU partners object. Why would we think this arrogant, self-serving ANC way of doing things will change just because they have 'allowed' a carefully selected chat feast? The very important Zondo Commission suffered a fade-away fate. And this was not the only such ANC directed lost opportunity to correct wrongs. Clearly too many of their own in the firing line. One can't but question Ramaphosa's real reason for doing this now? What is happening in the near future that finds the ANC needing such a spectacular diversion? Municipal elections next year?

brucedanckwerts Jun 13, 2025, 07:01 AM

Excellent analysis of a flawed idea. I fully agree that the unemployed have too little voice. The Trade Unions exist to enhance the working conditions of the employed and have no sympathy for those without jobs, so having a representative from the unemployed would be essential - but not on this forum; rather in all regular meetings between government, business and the unions. Bruce Danckwerts CHOMA, Zambia