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In the hot seat — John Steenhuisen on ‘very challenging’ GNU talks, his qualifications and priorities as new Minister

The DA has clinched six Cabinet positions and six deputy minister roles in the government of national unity. DA leader John Steenhuisen, the new agriculture minister, spoke to Daily Maverick about protracted GNU talks as well as his new role in the national executive.
In the hot seat — John Steenhuisen on ‘very challenging’ GNU talks, his qualifications and priorities as new Minister Illustrative Image: DA leader John Steenhuisen at the 2024 State of the Nation Address at Cape Town City Hall on 8 February 2024. (Photo: Victoria O'Regan)

Agriculture Minister John Steenhusien is on an extra-tight schedule after being appointed by President Cyril Ramaphosa on Sunday. Daily Maverick asked him six questions in a 15-minute phone conversation.

How difficult was it for the DA to finally reach an agreement with the ANC? 

It was very challenging and is certainly new territory for both the parties. We have never negotiated a national coalition and we certainly have never negotiated with the ANC before. 

Read more in Daily Maverick: Protracted talks, stalemate, leaked letters

I think it was new, it was sounding each other out and very difficult. I think the realisation set between us was that we need to rescue the country and the alternative configuration would have been far worse than the difficulties we were facing. 

John Steenhuisen at the Democratic Alliance (DA) Rescue SA Election Closing Rally at Willowmoore Park on May 26, 2024 in Benoni, South Africa. The South African general elections will be held on 29 May 2024 to elect a new National Assembly as well as the provincial legislature in each of the nine provinces. (Photo: Gallo Images / Laird Forbes)
DA leader John Steenhuisen at the party's election closing rally at Willowmoore Park in Benoni on 26 May 2024. (Photo: Gallo Images / Laird Forbes)

What were the key learnings for you as a leader and for the DA?

You always need to make sure that you have a strong negotiating team. I made sure we had that and that was a lesson we learnt from the previous rounds of negotiations we had with other parties and the Multi-Party Charter. Bringing your party with you throughout the process is very important – you cannot rush ahead and start doing things without consulting the party. 

Now that you have been appointed minister, a big criticism is around your qualifications (Steenhuisen has no tertiary education). Obviously this is politicking. What is your reaction? 

I think people can judge me through the job I do. I have been in this game long enough to know that critics will always throw stones and ministers do not have to have specific qualifications. Nowhere in the world is this a requirement. Trevor Manuel was one of our most successful finance ministers but did not have a background in finance. It is about the ability to get to grips with the problem and get solutions. If I get that right, no one will be worried about what piece of paper you have on the wall or letters in front or behind your name, they just want you to deliver.

DA leader John Steenhuisen. (Photo: Waldo Swiegers / Bloomberg via Getty Images)
DA leader John Steenhuisen. (Photo: Waldo Swiegers / Bloomberg via Getty Images)

Do you anticipate problems with administrators and staffers who are more accustomed to working with ANC leaders?

Of course, it is natural. It is what we experienced in the City of Cape Town and the Western Cape and this is what we are experiencing in the City of Tshwane. It is not easy, but we think that you have to distinguish people who are fit for purpose, and yes, they might belong to other political parties and they might have different loyalties. What we are going to see in the Agriculture Department is the director-general stays in agriculture or goes to Rural Development. 

Certainly there are obstructive people who are trying to undermine the work the ministers are trying to do. There should be a forum in Cabinet where we will be able to raise that, to say this is not working. If you do not have a good relationship with the DG in the department, it can paralyse it. I do not think anyone wants to see that.

What are your top five priorities for the agriculture sector?

  • Accelerating the agriculture and agro processing master plan. I know there is desire often from new ministers just coming and wanting to reinvent the wheel. In 2022 the plan was developed and I think it is very good;
  • Making sure there is an open-door policy to the organised agriculture sectors, organisations that represent new and emerging farmers, and to make sure there is a constructive partnership between the minister’s office and these organisations;
  • We will have to look at constraints and bottlenecks in the sector. These largely rest with other ministries but I think that an agriculture minister with a loud voice in Cabinet would be able to deal with these issues [such as] infrastructure, railroads, ports and harbours;
  • Dealing with stock theft and security issues is going to be very important, and again we will be dealing with other ministers, police, defence and public works which deal with border control; and
  • Making sure we deal with food security. I think it requires a well- managed sectoral intervention, and being able to bring policy certainty around property ownership and security of tenure to the sector, to give confidence to expand investment, will be important.
John Steenhuisen during the Democratic Alliance (DA) manifesto launch at the Rand Stadium on February 23, 2019 in Johannesburg, South Africa. (Photo by Gallo Images / Netwerk24 / Deaan Vivier)
John Steenhuisen during the DA's manifesto launch at the Rand Stadium in Johannesburg on 23 February 2019. (Photo: Gallo Images / Netwerk24 / Deaan Vivier)

How will you be dealing with farm killings in the country? (AfriForum’s latest report records 49 farm murders and 296 attacks in 2023)

Although it is the responsibility of the police, I know that a lot of the organised farmers have had to set up rural safety networks. We will have to see how to support those to be able to fight crime. We also need greater cooperation from the SA National Defence Force and SA Police Service. We have a great plan to fight crime which includes the introduction of new technology that can make policing easier – things like drone technology which can make it easier to monitor large areas of agricultural land. DM

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Comments (10)

ttshililo2 Jul 2, 2024, 02:31 PM

This chap and his ilk in the DA are hopeless: for a party that has ‘championed’ meritocracy for yonks has the least educated and qualified candidates to oversee ministries. What a tragic irony.

Kevin Venter Jul 3, 2024, 07:11 AM

Merit based appointment doesn't mean the most educated, it means the best available person for the job. How many of our cadres in parliament with degrees from universities are useless at the job assigned to them? A good leader is not necessarily a person with the best education credential, it is the person who effectively chooses and uses their team wisely to get the best outcome. I do however firmly believe that government positions should come with minimum education requirements as well as minimum experience requirements in the same field that they will be responsible for. You cannot take a person who is trained as a teacher and put them in charge of Police, that is a recipe for disaster as we have seen over the past 30 years. We need to get away from cadre politics and start selecting the right people, making them responsible, putting the checks and balances in place and then holding them to account for their delivery... only then will we see the country moving in the right direction.

Janette Van Soelen Jul 3, 2024, 12:44 PM

It does not even happen in the UK happen that Ministers of Health has any experience working in Heath. So harping about Steenhuisen lack if agricultural experience is of no use. Give the man a chance to show his political abilities.

Rod Mellet Jul 3, 2024, 07:29 AM

The DA hopeless? I live and farm in North West and this province is in a mess...serious mess! I have just traveled to Western Cape and the contrast between here and there is like night and day! The roads there are exceptionally good and deteriorate by the km as you travel north. I have been treated at a hospital here: what an unbelieveably bad experience! ( a private one!) I was treated at the Government hospital in Vredenburg for an accident and the contrast between these two facilities is one again...night and day. There it was efficient, friendly, compasionate and very professional. Here the nurse pocketed half a syringe of pain medication meant for my pain relief! Our president has heard the nation; put together a GNU that can work... If only fools will stop their devisive and obviously very biased retoric. All strength to our new cabinet. May they reverse the adverse impact of the politic of the last 30 years of decline in our country.

Hardushartzenberg@gmail.com Jul 3, 2024, 08:55 AM

Really? Compared to the ANC in the rest of the country, the Western Cape has outperformed the rest of the country by centuries. While the rest of the country regressed under the rule of the ANC, the Western Cape took up the challenge and developed industry and trade that caused the "semigration" of business and economy from everywhere else in SA to the WC province. That is the proof of meritocy in action vs the ANC cadre employment in the rest of SA. The ANC has proved how useless they are as a governing party.

Gerrie Pretorius Jul 3, 2024, 09:40 AM

Kevin Rod and Innocense - well said! Unfortunately Tumelo ‘the bot’ has no idea what you’re on about.

ttshililo2 Jul 3, 2024, 10:25 AM

Gerrie, the issue half the time on these is the myopic view of the non-black South African, in the sense that if someone holds a different view they are a ‘bot’. Secondly, because your experience is different to mine does not make it anymore factual. A lot of commentary here speaks to how disastrous the ANC has been, which they have certain aspects- but my experience has been that most of the what I have ( my education, an opportunity to start a business, an opportunity to uplift three younger members of my family) would not have been possible but for the policies of the ANC and infrastructure they have facilitated that would not have been built in my area because of the white racism. Now Gerrie, Rod, Innocentia- please excuse my hesitancy about a man who sold fabrics, a party which once campaigned on a slogan that Zuma was barely literate and preached meritocracy- suddenly puts up two matriculants to lead two technical ministries. Spare us the hypocrisy and your fragility.

Fanie Rajesh Ngabiso Jul 3, 2024, 08:18 PM

My word - you really have the wrong impression about the DA and what they stand for. First I suggest you breathe, then think through this simple life truth: not every white person is bad, and not every black person is good. The DA is the most multiracial party in South Africa today and I can say without hesitation it is the best party for both you and me - assuming you are honest of course.

William Dryden Jul 3, 2024, 10:19 AM

Obvious you are an ANC or EFF supporter Tumelo, and hate to see another party who can actually reform the incompetent ANC government. The tragic irony is that the ANC have run this country into the ground and people like yourself kept on voting for them.

megapode Jul 3, 2024, 11:01 AM

Two things please 1) We need to stop this binary thinking, that one is either unequivocally for the DA or an agent of darkness. 2) The DA have spent a long time putting down other parties and their representatives. So they must expect to get some back. This is not new, they have been at it for some time, and it has occasionally blown up in their faces - like when it was revealed that they don't even properly check CVs. They have been a very belligerent opposition, taking whatever cheap shots they can. They now need to remember that they are sitting at the grown ups table and behave themselves accordingly.

ttshililo2 Jul 3, 2024, 11:40 AM

Billy, how you have deduced that I am an ANC or EFF voter, for questioning a former fabric salesman/ matriculants acumen in running such a technical ministry, is only a question you can answer- but it is probably because of my African name. This tells me two things, you are an instinctive idiot, like John, or your fragility, upon the pointing out mediocrity, is ingrained. Keep well.

Fanie Rajesh Ngabiso Jul 3, 2024, 08:20 PM

Calm my brother calm. It is fine to disagree, but we need to be truthful with ourselves also. The ANC has failed our people.

Johan Buys Jul 3, 2024, 05:48 PM

Tumelo, it would be wonderful if we had a system similar to Nordic countries that separate technocrat departmental functions from politicians that want to push whatever party’s policy. Let’s say I had expert level skills in Health. There is not a chance in the world that I would subject myself to our system whereby as Minister of Health I cannot do what is required, but have to adapt to the line as influenced by party policy, the labor unions, media and social media. Subject matter experts are accustomed to doing 120 things from a supply of 80. When policies get involved, the outcome is 50 from 150. Our health and education ministries are prime examples. We out-spend per capita and % of GDP places like India and China by factor of 200% but achieve half of what they do. Imagine the outcry in SA if the minsters of finance, education and health got together and recommended a One Child Policy until 2050 in SA to lift us out of the hole we have excavated! That is the rational policy, but will never get implemented. When it comes to ministers with admired track record, the ANC record is abysmal. I battle to think of four that I would appoint in a company or foundation. I can’t say that at local level anybody in my town political cadres (DA) that there is even one I would appoint. Cadre deployment has hurt us more than we can calculate. There is no public in ‘public service’, only power and influence and ego and corruption.

Lucifer's Consiglieri Jul 4, 2024, 01:10 AM

The world is full of well-educated fools.

Lucifer's Consiglieri Jul 4, 2024, 01:20 AM

One should never make the mistake of letting politicians believe that they were elected because of their expertise. Almost none of them are experts in the portfolios for which they are supposed to provide political leadership. Politics requires no qualificatuions. The civil servants are supposed to be the experts. Unfortunately, the ANC have put incompetent politicians in those role as well, to disastrous effect.

Bruce Sobey Jul 2, 2024, 02:32 PM

He makes a good point about Trevor Manuel. To that we could add Abraham Lincoln - generally regarded as the greatest American President. According to Wikipedia "Lincoln was self-educated. His formal schooling was intermittent, the aggregate of which may have amounted to less than twelve months. He never attended college."

ttshililo2 Jul 2, 2024, 03:00 PM

This is rather disingenuous and more so from Steenhuizen. Trevor Manual had a post-matric qualification along with some training that was provided to a lot of cadres pre-1994 by Goldman sachs, the IMF and world bank. Secondly, you compare the skills of a man in the 19th century to what is needed in today’s sophisticated world- both you and steenhuizen have posited false equivalences. Thirdly, This chap and his ilk in the DA are hopeless: for a party that has ‘championed’ meritocracy for yonks has the least educated and qualified candidates to oversee ministries. What a tragic irony.

mally2 Jul 2, 2024, 03:29 PM

Winston Churchill, the best leader in the world during the last century only had a poor matric equivalent. Education does not make a leader - I say this with two Ph.D.'s from top universities'

Irene Baumbach Jul 3, 2024, 06:48 AM

Agree 100%

Lucius Casca Jul 2, 2024, 06:52 PM

It is tragic irony that in today's sophisticated world you can comment on a socio-political article using an advanced technological instrument and still make a rubbish point...

ttshililo2 Jul 3, 2024, 08:23 AM

I think I touched a matriculant’s nerve.?

trudi.schwartz Jul 2, 2024, 08:39 PM

And you don't even mention the new Minister of Social Development that also has only Matric? Is that because it is a woman or because she is from the ANC? Take your pick. At least John Steenhuizen has proven himself as a good leader of a party that has rescued the Western Cape. What has Sisisi Tolashe done? Not too many people know who she is. Oh yes, she is the ANC Women's League President!

Kevin Immelman Jul 2, 2024, 08:59 PM

Tumelo, 'this chap and his ilk in the DA' have delivered more service to the people than most in the ruling party. This doesn't say much, I know, and while you may not like them or support them, they are far from 'useless'. And also remember that the leader of the ruling party has chosen them specifically to assist him in running the country. If they were as 'useless' as you purport, he is surely not that stupid.

Fanie Rajesh Ngabiso Jul 2, 2024, 10:01 PM

Peace brother - give him a chance to show himself before you judge.

Kenneth FAKUDE Jul 3, 2024, 03:07 AM

So far he has not shown any education handicap, people can be stupid to think education is only in universities, the best education is in sunday school and at home, numeracy up to metric completes the education that a non corrupt leader with integrity needs. No wonder a majority of people with qualifications are drowning in alcohol, they missed the initial and best schooling.

Steve Davidson Jul 3, 2024, 06:40 AM

I repeat: coming from someone as obviously as dom as you, that's a real joke.

andretait156 Jul 2, 2024, 06:27 PM

Yip. Zuma only had standard 3

Fanie Rajesh Ngabiso Jul 2, 2024, 10:05 PM

Leadership ability is not defined by education. There are plenty examples in history of bad educated leaders and good uneducated ones - and visa versa. A good leader surrounds him/herself with good people.

shellygg Jul 2, 2024, 02:48 PM

I am excited to see John in this position. If he can change policies which are killing the local farmers such as importing beef en mass from Namibia, and chicken at below cost prices this will go a long way to preserve jobs, create jobs and keep the farmers in business.

Peter Atller Jul 2, 2024, 03:36 PM

I am at that stage...looking beyond what your politics are. SAS ZA is in trouble, and the time for finger pointing and polititing is over, its all hands on deck. This GNU may just be the vehicle that forces politicians to work together as South Africans first....for the gods know, ZA would like a period of rapid economic growth, a crime rate that is under control ...and a society that is solidifying the gains that we have made. Good luck, John...and the GNU!

Danial Ronald Meyer Jul 3, 2024, 08:16 AM

John Steenhuisen is a hardworking, honest and decent fellow who will throw his all into the job. John knows he has technical limitations, but he also knows when and where to seek help. Let's give him a chance. As for the DA drawing the short straw on cabinet and deputy ministerial appointments. It's not about ego and position numbers, but all about performance - fixing the f-up caused by others. Once the few DA ministers and deputy ministers have demonstrated what servant leadership is all about the national will demand that such high caliber and focused individuals are appointed to other/more leadership positions.

Antonio Tonin Jul 3, 2024, 09:36 AM

I truly hope that this minimally educated city boy can grasp the central importance of protecting and conserving our catchment areas and wetlands. Without these ecosystems being secured and delivering sufficient water in a drying, eroding subcontinent, our agricultural sector will remain in crisis. Again I hope his more educated DFFE counterpart can guide him. Time will tell. Restoring our mountain and freshwater ecosystems will breathe new life into our country, and the vast public works programme to achieve this could become one of the key rural employment drivers - if the vision, understanding and wisdom are in place. The ball is in your court, John. Don’t miss it

Stephen Browne Jul 3, 2024, 11:21 AM

A lovely thought, but it's going to be 50% about farm murders and 50% about ensuring farmers are making money. Not necessarily bad, but expecting some kind of environmental awareness is a stretch for the neoliberals.

megapode Jul 3, 2024, 11:09 AM

I'm not bothered by Steenhuisen's lack of a degree, as long as his party shut up about educational qualifications now. If they don't, they are going to need a very large egg lift. Ministers are seldom qualified sufficiently for their portfolio. Most health ministers in any country cannot perform a triple bypass. Most ministers of agriculture don't know which end of the hoe you hold. What we should be looking for is that they surround themselves with able advisers (part of Trevor Manuel's success) and we should judge them on their policy, whether or not they implement it and the outcomes. And remember that each new minister inherits from his predecessor, receiving either a wave to ride or a hole to get out of.

nicholasandrewmiles Jul 3, 2024, 12:39 PM

like the acknowledgment that there are already good plans, there are already good laws, etc, it's taking whats there and ensuring the intentions that were there when it was drafted by the ANC or whoever are implemented. work out whats been hampering it, where are the bottlenecks and focus on those, no need to start from scratch, it's ensuring an effecient use of resources. now, just do it.

Robin Landman OBE Jul 3, 2024, 05:06 PM

Reading the comments on this page there's precious little unity in the readership of the DM! If this GNU is to work - a big if -it needs at least a chance to prove itself before the prejudice and pre-judgment demonstrated here.

cmbangi4 Jan 20, 2025, 10:26 AM

Pandering to umlungu, wow Queenin!