SA recalls diplomats in Tel Aviv over ‘untenable’ situation with Israeli ambassador

I believe that the ANC does not represent the majority "South African view" on Israel and Hamas. Outside and inside of the ANC, EFF and Marxist (The cesspool that have no moral compass), I challenge anyone to prove me wrong that "Most SA citizens, regardless of party affiliation, have not lost their morality, faith and logic, and they do not support terrorism, but Israel's legitimacy to the land. The ANC's cosy relationship with terror and gravitation towards tyranny is a revelation of their failure to uphold human rights, and is a move towards denying basic rights and freedom of expression. A failed state always romance with another failed state for it cannot find a worthy partner amongst the free and the prosperous.

It is vital that people educate themselves on the birth of the Israeli nation, and how the Palestinians were evicted from their homes when Jewish refugees entered Palestine. Please read the Balfour Accord and how the British sold out the Palestines, promising the Zionist movement a "homeland" after the defeat of the Ottoman Empire. The British handed a huge mess over to the UN in 1948, the damage had been done. People had lost their homes, their businesses their vehicles, and had to take refuge in refugee camps with their children. Haifa and Jaffa were trade routes. Please people educate yourself, and where there is no chance of peace, people resort to violence, that is where our country were fortunate, in having the best statesman in the world, as we had a Truth and reconciliation commission. How can we stand by when 10 000 people have been obliterated of which 4000 are children a slaughter and massacre. We don't condone what Hamas did, however there is desperation, to bring their plight to the world. When the hospital was struck in Gaza, Biden said " oh this was a hit from the other team", what do you mean "team" this is not a game being played. How do you have a war against a people living on strip of land. I agree with everything our government are saying. The people of Palestine are being treated as if they are not human beings and don't count.

Experience indicates that the ANC remains loyal to their "liberation" allies to the extent that they are blind to any fault. There are a number of points to consider: 1. The casualty levels in the current Gaza conflict seem to be very high. I wonder to what extent these figures relate to the "human shield" policy which has been used in Palestine and followed by MK cadres? 2. History shows that calls for ceasefires are used as a ploy to allow time to reorganise and redeploy when the Hamas troops are under pressure. 3. Is it not strange that the initial assault on Israeli civilian population has been discounted by the "white smoke" of Palestinian cries of excessive force and "foul play" by the IDF?

Been following Israeli media and from the statements of their politicians ( Hertzog- no civilians in Gaza ) , this had to happen . Ireland may be next ( their president refused to retract statement that Israel action amounts to revenge) , if EU does not come out stronger already moving that way . This going south quickly and no grown ups in the room.

The human tragedy that is unfolding in the Gaza enclave defies any iota of moral and legal justification. Palestine-Israel conflict has been purposely ignored for so long. The incident of October 7 shows that an ostrich approach to such intricate geopolitical conflict is unsustainable, regardless of the difference of political viewpoints and opinions held.

The hypocrisy of these quasi-communist idiots! Won't condemn Russia's colonialistic invasion of Ukraine (multiple war crimes confirmed) but are outraged by Israel's response to a brutal invasion of their territory. Hamas is a terrorist organisation disowned by Palestine & most of the Arab states, deliberately goading the uninformed world into the achieved reaction.

Hamas – Israel War By MICHELE FAZIOLI (Translated by Reverso) 06.11.2023 06:00 Today the clouds have a dark tint, due to the violent wind blowing from the Middle Eastern lands. Let’s start from the end (because we will see that there is also a beginning), that is, from the current situation: after three weeks of war there is the continuous increase of Palestinian civilian victims in Gaza (guerrillas, leaders and flankers of Hamas killed are another thing, they are in a war caused by them). Let’s talk about civilians: the figures are confused, but now we are at a few thousand (five, six thousand according to a fairly neutral figure). And they are helpless people, men, women, children. This brings us to a point of moral and ethical laceration. We wonder: up to what amount of innocent victims it is possible to put those tragic accounts on the negative but not disposable account of a just war? And where does the disproportion between the legitimate reaction to a unilateral attack and the military response to that attack begin? I dare an analogy (imperfect like all analogies): how far in 1945 was justified by the end (the defeat of Nazi-Fascism) the bombing of the German city of Dresden that made at least thirty thousand civilian victims? The dramatic question resonates in the hearts of men and women of good will. But by golly, what’s happening today has had a start. That was on October 7, when a masnada of guerrillas of the terrorist group of Hamas crossed the borders of Israel (for the first time hit in the heart of their land) and made a massacre, massacred (even cutting throats and beheading) over 1,200 unarmed people (kids at a party, children, young, old). The assailants beat and kidnapped 230 hostages (including teenagers and children). If we do not start from there, from that beginning, from that indelible memory of barbarity, we cut the chronicle in slices like a salami incorrectly. The ethical question of proportionality exists. But the bloody attack of October 7 cannot be dismissed as a thing of the past leaving all the weight of moral judgment solely on the heaviness of the response of the attacked party. But there are those who, as always, cry from one eye: after 7 October I did not see Israeli flags waving in European squares, now it is all a wave of Palestinian flags. We also know that the Gaza Strip has long been the lair of radical terrorism by Hamas, which has created an underground world of tunnels, military power stations and weapons and rocket depots to be launched against Israel for years. And the very dense Palestinian population of Gaza is a hostage, a victim of Hamas even before the Israeli attacks. To be continued..

It is also true, it must be said, that history is a long thread and even before 1948 and the birth of the State of Israel sanctioned by the UN there had been wars between Palestinian Arabs and Jews. And there is the unresolved question of the territories occupied by Israel after the «six-day war» of 1967, when, however, the armies of Egypt, Syria and Jordan attempted the blow of aggression against Israel to cancel it. Israel responded and defeated the aggressors in six days, creating a security band of occupied territory around them. If Israel had not been attacked, it would not have occupied lands not of its own. The question of the occupied territories remains on the carpet as a bulky stumbling block for any peace negotiations and the crisis is certainly not favoured by the continuous arbitrary settlements of Jewish settlers of fundamentalist religious roots in those territories, with the guilty blessing of Prime Minister Netanyahu increasingly at the mercy of the extremist right. But any possible dissent against Israel does not justify the resurgence of anti-Semitism that is also infecting the West. It was believed that all indistinct anti-Jewish hatred (apart from Israel) had been eradicated in civil Europe after what was perhaps the worst human disaster in our modern history, the Holocaust. Also because, just as the liberal and secular philosopher Benedetto Croce affirmed that we Europeans «cannot but call ourselves Christians», it is licit to say today that» we cannot but call ourselves Jews». It was Pope John Paul II who said that «the Jews are our elder brothers». And to those Christians who were today tempted by the itching of anti-Jewish prejudice (not to mention the past and the ghettos and persecution in the abused name of the Christian faith) it is worth reminding that Jesus and his mother Mary and the twelve apostles were Jews, practitioners of synagogues and then set out on the path of Christian history that from the Jewish stock is born as sap from the roots. The return of anti-Semitism is inexcusable and must today make those who, much or little, express it blush with shame.

War and conflict is in human genetic make-up. Children naturally love but are taught to hate. This is passed down from father to son. If everyone could take a step back and agree what the future position should be, all that would then be needed is agreement on how to achieve that vision. But I'm not holding my breath. Like elephants and bonobos, matriarchal societies, the world would be a better place, I feel, if women governed. Less testosterone for a start.

Hamas will not be eradicated because the current youth, even in West Bank, supports the Hamas ideology of confronting Israeli violent oppression with violence. Hamas came into being to provide leadership after the PLO became a collaborator. As long as the Zionist regime continues to deny the very existence of Palestinians, other organised Hamases will emerge to continue the struggle to the last man standing.