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The radio clash between Zille and Mdoda that exposed our racial fault lines in politics

The heated exchange revealed a point of inflection in political dynamics and how the issue of race that has shaped the country will not go away simply because people refuse to talk about it.

On Monday evening, 22 September, while attending a friend’s book launch, another friend asked me if I’d seen radio host Anele Mdoda’s interview with Helen Zille that morning on 947. I hadn’t, and the noisy book launch wasn’t the right time to watch, so I saved it for later.

I’m sure that by now many have seen the heated interview, with Zille getting particularly hot and bothered in a tense exchange.

The subject of the interview was Zille’s recent confirmation as the DA’s Joburg mayoral candidate, a highly unimaginative move that, I must say, induced an eyeroll from me.

As I watched the interview, I chuckled to myself at the acerbic missiles being launched, particularly when Zille’s hackles were raised as Mdoda told her: “Black people struggle to see you wanting to forward them.”

Zille retorted: “Anele, when were you elected as the spokesperson for all black people?”

Although Mdoda is obviously not an elected spokesperson for black people, the exchange struck me as an important moment for South Africans to reflect on. It revealed a point of inflection in political dynamics and how the issue of race that has shaped the country will not go away simply because people refuse to talk about it.

Zille cut the profile of an incredulous white liberal who was gobsmacked that a black woman would not only have the audacity to challenge her white saviour complex, but also have the temerity to take her on without backing down, despite being goaded with personal attacks, on one of the city’s biggest radio stations. It has a diverse listenership representative of the voter base Zille is vying for.

A colleague asked: “Do you think Auntie Helen is following the Trump playbook?”

It dawned on me then that although Zille should be challenged, she is not to be dismissed, because her kind of politics does have an appeal to some, even to black people. This is because she represents self-preservation and protectionism of the middle class.

Those in the middle class who do not have a sense of community and identity beyond careerism and the safeguarding of their insular aspirations of suburban and gentrified living, characterised by braai banter about potholes, broken traffic lights and how expensive their children’s private schooling is, will identify with Zille’s rhetoric. She also represents those who are aspiring to join this group of people.

It is a fact – but hardly breaking news – that the ANC is not doing much to ingratiate itself with people. However, this does not mean that people should reach for anything that presents itself as an alternative.

And in this instance it is the DA itself, which has proven to have no interest in an honest conversation about the country’s political history and context, that renders black people suspicious of it.

Some of us have no interest in “knowing our place” and never challenging an overwhelmingly white party that weaponises the word “woke” against black people who refuse to have their lived experiences erased.

What we do have an interest in is living the full expression of our Constitution, which recognises our racial dynamics and calls on us to live the fullest versions of ourselves. DM

This story first appeared in our weekly Daily Maverick 168 newspaper, which is available countrywide for R35.

dm168 front page 26/9/25

Comments

Andrew Blaine Sep 30, 2025, 07:46 PM

The question posed by Mdoda to Zille was inane and provocative. I make this comment based on the following: 1. The metro of Johannesburg has suffered under self serving, greedy politicians since 1994, to the extent that it is unable to offer basic services to all its residents; 2. Nobody can claim to speak for all people. The question was racist and provocative, and answer was both reactive and appropriate. Your commentary is both biased and subjective .

Hidden Name Sep 30, 2025, 08:23 PM

Wow. The chip on your shoulder may actually be larger than your head.

Brett Redelinghuys Sep 30, 2025, 10:20 PM

Lazy, lazy and sad... Sad you believe the colour's of skin determines of they can serve and serve all. Why waste time with this frivolous, pointless BS... Where gas it got you in 30 years? Is JHB better or worse? So maybe time to forget colour and find ANYONE capable of doing the job. If CT is better run than JHB, then maybe voting (and supporting) those people to try repeat the job, might not be a dof idea? Pollyfilla available to fill in chips on shoulders, and let's move on.

Lawrence Sisitka Oct 1, 2025, 06:31 AM

I'm just waiting for (god)Zille to get back on track with the benefits of colonialism. That will appeal to many on this platform,I know :).

kanu sukha Oct 1, 2025, 07:12 PM

Spot on !

Wilhelm van Rooyen Oct 5, 2025, 01:22 PM

Maybe if she ends up running Jhb you can share in those benefits...

Leon Groenveld Oct 1, 2025, 08:47 AM

One thing that seems to have gone missing in all the political mud throwing and point scoring is that Joburg has now evolved into a City that actually needs saving. For some, on display on this thread, politics matter more than Joburg. This is wrong. Just get someone, ANYONE, with the enthusiasm and expertise to do this. And who will fall asleep at night thinking NOT whether they're black, white, EFF, DA or ANC etc. but what they've accomplished for the City and all its people.

Brian Algar Oct 1, 2025, 09:57 AM

"This is because she represents self-preservation and protectionism of the middle class." So, I would support the DA or for that matter any party or person who could fix Joburg, and absolutely to protect the middle class. But also to uplift the poor, the emerging class and the rich. Competence and honesty should have no colour, so if Dodo Morono was honestly the best choice to fix Joburg for all its people, he would get my support. The current crime and grime alliance certainly can't.

Kate Powell Oct 2, 2025, 03:12 PM

While I understand your point about Zille’s political style and the ongoing role of race in our country, some of your arguments risk the same kind of generalisation you accuse her of. You trivialise many middle-class people who genuinely care about South Africa. What we need now is less division and more focus on present realities. Look beyond our history and beyond colour. The real question is which leaders truly care about getting it right for all South Africans.

Rudd van Deventer Oct 3, 2025, 06:32 PM

Really Zukiswa Pikoli. If you are so cheesed off with the ANC and their failures do not take it out on the DA and Helen Zille. Also I am not sure why the 'Middle Class' has attracted your dislike; I would have thought that you are one of us - it is not a 'White' thing!

Hartmut Winkler Oct 5, 2025, 02:24 AM

The problem with the DA and their commentator machinery as seen here and as personified by 'Madam' Zille: they do not listen and think they always know better. If you want to serve the people of Joburg as mayor, a good start would be to show us some respect by listening to what the people of Joburg (includes Anele Mdoda, Zukiswa Pikoli and many others) have to say.

Wilhelm van Rooyen Oct 5, 2025, 01:25 PM

Is it by now not clear what has to be done in Jhb? No more talking, it's time for doing, and none better than HZ to lead it

Hartmut Winkler Oct 5, 2025, 08:54 PM

It is Management 101. You do not disrespect your team and pretend you know better, especially when you have been parachuted in from the outside. If Zille doesn't get that then she must rather stay in the WC.

Karl Sittlinger Oct 6, 2025, 08:52 AM

Clearly what ever has been done till now in JHB is not working. Maybe its time for a new approach? Yes, JHB is not Cape Town, but when in comes to running a city I will take Zilles word way above those of Anele Mdoda or Zukiswa Pikoli, purely due to hard experience, and many many years of it. Look at the interview: instead of asking constructive questions and working together, Anele was trying to catch out Zille before she has even begun doing anything at all. Who is not working with whom here?

gerob Oct 5, 2025, 11:34 AM

I may have missed it above but how correct is "overwhelmingly white party" ? The DA won 22% of support in the last election. There are about 7.5% white people in South Africa. If say 5% vote for the DA, that leaves 17% black voters. where is "overwhelmingly" ??