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FIGHTING TALK

Kagame threatens SA as SANDF forces remain beleaguered in DRC and peace efforts falter

The bloody war between South African and Rwandan-backed M23 rebels in the Democratic Republic of Congo over the past week has become a war of words between President Cyril Ramaphosa and Rwandan President Paul Kagame.
Peter Fabricius
Kagame threatens(Main) South African President Cyril Ramaphosa. (Photo: EPA-EFE / Michael Buholzer) | Rwandan President Paul Kagame. (Photo: EPA-EFE / Andre Pain)

After two phone calls between the two presidents this week,  Kagame posted a belligerent message on X on Wednesday in which he accused Ramaphosa of lying and distortion and issued a veiled threat of military aggression. 

He said he had spoken twice to Ramaphosa on the phone this week, and  denied that Ramaphosa had warned him that South Africa would attack Rwanda if it attacked South African troops in the DRC. He appeared to be responding to a statement to this effect by Defence Minister Angie Motshekga. 

Kagame said that what Ramaphosa had done, rather, was to ask him “for support to ensure the South African force has adequate electricity, food and water, which we shall help communicate”.

Kagame said what had been communicated about his conversations with Ramaphosa in the media, by South African officials and by Ramaphosa himself, “contains a lot of distortion, deliberate attacks, and even lies”.

He appeared to be largely annoyed by the South African government’s repeated claims that Rwanda was supporting the M23 and that the M23 and Rwanda had precipitated the latest fighting by attacking the Southern African Development Community (SADC) Mission in the DRC (SAMIDRC), which most of the SANDF troops are part of, though some are in the UN peacekeeping force Monusco. Kagame also seemed annoyed that South African officials were describing SAMIDRC as a “peacekeeping force”. 

“SAMIDRC is not a peacekeeping force, and it has no place in this situation,” Kagame said. “It was authorised by SADC as a belligerent force engaging in offensive combat operations to help the DRC government fight against its own people, working alongside genocidal armed groups like FDLR which target Rwanda, while also threatening to take the war to Rwanda itself.”

Read more: SADC leaders likely to withdraw forces from DRC, including SANDF

Kagame also made the extraordinary claim that “President Ramaphosa confirmed to me that M23 did not kill the soldiers from South Africa, FARDC did”.

It seems highly unlikely that Ramaphosa would have said that, although Kagame may have been referring to the deaths of the three SANDF soldiers at Goma airport on Monday, who were caught in a mortar crossfire between DRC troops and the M23/Rwanda.

What is likely is that some SANDF troops may have died or suffered injuries because DRC troops surrendered in large numbers to M23/Rwanda, leaving the South African troops exposed. 

Kagame added ominously: “South Africa is in no position to take on the role of a peacemaker or mediator. And if South Africa prefers confrontation, Rwanda will deal with the matter in that context any day.” 

This appeared to be a threat of renewed military action against South Africa, although Rwandan government spokesperson Yolande Makolo told Radio 702 on Thursday that Kagame only meant that he would set the record straight about what South Africa was saying about the conflict. 

Thirteen South African soldiers have been killed in fighting with the M23 rebels, heavily backed by Rwanda, in a week. The last deaths were on Monday when a mortar, apparently fired between M23/Rwandan forces and DRC forces, landed on the SANDF base near Goma airport.

Read more: Air force and army chiefs blasted for playing golf while SA soldiers die in DRC

And the troops seem to remain vulnerable, although Motshekga told a press conference on Wednesday that the SANDF had not been involved in any fighting for 48 hours before that. She suggested a truce between SANDF forces and M23/Rwanda at the SANDF’s base at Sake, to allow M23/Rwanda to remove its dead from the battlefield and the SANDF to receive supplies, was holding. She denied at a conference the reports that the South African troops in the DRC had run short of ammunition and other supplies. She said had visited the SANDF base at Goma before the fighting started and they had not complained of a lack of ammunition and other supplies.

She also said Ramaphosa had warned Rwanda that the SANDF forces would attack Rwandan forces if they attacked the SANDF – the remark which appeared to antagonise Kagame. 

Diplomatic efforts to end the conflict faltered on Wednesday as DRC President Felix Tshisekedi missed a summit of the East African Community which Kenyan President William Ruto called to address the warfare. The EAC called for an immediate ceasefire and for Tshisekedi to talk directly to the M23, which he has so far refused to do. The leaders also agreed to hold a joint summit with the SADC to address the crisis.

The SADC was due to hold its own summit on Friday in Harare to try to seek an end to the fighting. Pretoria sources told Daily Maverick that Tshisekedi had asked the SADC to reinforce SAMIDRC so as to continue the fight against the M23 and Rwanda. But the sources said there was “no appetite for that”. It was more likely that the leaders would agree to withdraw SAMIDRC from the DRC, but to do so gradually and in an orderly way since a “haphazard” withdrawal would damage the SADC’s credibility and jeopardise its ability to conduct future intervention missions. 

It is a moot point, though, whether that has not already happened. 

“This is the end of South Africa as a regional power for the next decade at least,” Darren Olivier, a defence expert at the African Defence Review, told Daily Maverick.

South Africa’s position that Rwanda is backing the M23 militarily and that is the main cause of the conflict, is widely supported, including at the United Nations where the Security Council demanded, after a meeting on Sunday, that Rwanda immediately withdraw from the DRC. DM

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Ivan van Heerden 30 January 2025 02:52 PM

Once the iron fist of Africa with strike capabilities all over the continent now a shadow of its former self with brave soldiers on the ground and absolutely useless bloated generals and a defence minister who wouldn't know a bullet from a baby bottle. ANC INCOMPETENT THIEVING CORRUPT CLOWNS!!!

d***s@z***.co.za 31 January 2025 01:53 PM

Let's be real the sadf was never that great, lost the war against swapo, mpla and MK. What was so great about sadf?

Tim Bester 31 January 2025 01:58 PM

Don't forget Lesotho...

Malcolm McManus 31 January 2025 03:16 PM

That was the SANDF.

Mike Pragmatist 31 January 2025 03:02 PM

Did you forget Cuba and .... (or simply not part of your narrative?) You forget what really led to the end of the "bush war" and internal terrorism bombings etc / whatever you want to call it - the now "hated" democratic and capitalist "Western Powers", liberal support, and SANCTIONS.

Jubilee 1516 1 February 2025 10:39 AM

SADF was brilliant. Why do you claim they lost the almost 3 decade long war? On what grounds? MK fought in one battle and lost 100 men, SWAPO/PLAN, Fapla, Frelimo, some Renamo, 30 000 Cubans were dominated. Occham's razor, they had to wait 6 years after the war to vote, 1994. Strange victory.

ttshililo2 1 February 2025 11:32 AM

"Iron fist you say? The killed more unarmed blacks in the townships than the wars they fought. Oh, I almost forget- they lost EVERY war they fought in. Educate yourself and open a book instead of believing in the fairytales of pre-1994."

Lian 2 February 2025 06:41 PM

Please read the correct history . Politicians told the SADF to stop the war . Especially the Western Powers who supported Swapo and other movements covertly. All for gold, oil and diamonds

Jane Crankshaw 30 January 2025 02:57 PM

Takes one to know one!

Rod MacLeod 30 January 2025 03:56 PM

Are you joining the naartjie back in grade 2?

louw.nic 31 January 2025 12:49 PM

"When you have no basis for an argument, abuse the plaintiff." Attributed to Cicero

cracklin62 31 January 2025 07:47 AM

Cranking on Jane?

D Rod 30 January 2025 03:11 PM

SANDF would get a bloody nose if they pickup a fight with Rwandan Army. SANDF is (barring a few special forces) paper tiger. As the Ayn Rand said it so well: "We can ignore reality, but we cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality". Accept that SANDF is basically cadre employment scheme

Jennifer Ward 30 January 2025 03:20 PM

Who exactly is monitoring these posts?

Rod MacLeod 30 January 2025 03:57 PM

You, me and all the other readers.

Nils Heckscher 30 January 2025 04:41 PM

I also wonder, as these racist remarks are totally unaccaptable and invalidate any feedback! Qualified, well-equipped and well-funded professionals being put in charge of the operation is what is needed to have a fighting chance!

m***6@y***.com 30 January 2025 09:38 PM

sometimes it's just better to call a spade a spade and stop all the sugar coating, let's be honest

p***r@g***.com 31 January 2025 05:02 AM

Some can't handle the truth.

Jubilee 1516 30 January 2025 05:21 PM

Well, unfortunately what he says is 100% substantiable based on history. It may send shivers down the spine, but this is about saving lives.

Greeff Kotzé 30 January 2025 07:27 PM

Race is not a qualification or measure of competence — never has been. If his comment had said, “Put qualified people in charge…” instead, it would pass as fair comment/reasonable criticism. As it stands, it is simple bigotry.

Jubilee 1516 30 January 2025 08:54 PM

Well, if I have to bet my life on it, I will select a fully black marathon and sprinting team, and back it with history rather than bigotry. If I have to choose the command of a defense force that has to defend me, based on history... We are all equal but we certainly have different strong points.

D'Esprit 30 January 2025 10:01 PM

100%

Trenton Carr 31 January 2025 07:15 AM

Correct, but culture is, and when the change over happened in 91 when I was there, we saw the SANDF die.

Jubilee 1516 30 January 2025 05:29 PM

The SANDF loses almost 500 000 working days p.a. due to Aids. The SADF won the "armed struggle" easily. Our expensive corvettes and subs are non-operational. We hire BAe pilots to fly our jets on shows. Makhanda 6SAI's perimter fence was STOLEN. AA dreams do not work when lives are at stake.

D'Esprit 30 January 2025 10:05 PM

The SADF didn't win in Angola. I was in it at the time and had access to all the reports from the border. By 1987 we were fighting a defensive war and happy as Larry when a negotiated solution arrived

p***r@g***.com 31 January 2025 05:15 AM

Thanks to the Americans the SADF were never allowed to do what was required. Politics kept interfering. Please explain why Infidel Castro executed his general if they were victorious.

User 31 January 2025 07:46 AM

Rubbish. The SADF was stopped by the US in Angola. Politics stopped them from fighting an offensive war. In fact, the SADF was one of the main reasons why the USSR was financially crippled and imploded.

Jubilee 1516 31 January 2025 12:35 PM

I know that war inside out, especially 85-90, including April 1989's 'Nine Day War", where we showed extreme military supremacy. The SADF comfortably won that war against extreme numerical superiority.

Jubilee 1516 31 January 2025 12:39 PM

There were tough times, including Cuito, and the SADF/61 Mech aim was very different to what the ANC will tell you. That is why we posted only 700 troops there until the just before the very end. But check the official tally, even according to the Cubans. We dominated, always.

D'Esprit 30 January 2025 10:01 PM

Maga.

Grumpy Old Man 30 January 2025 04:12 PM

DM - your peer review system does not work! This comment does not constitute free speech, it's racist!

Nils Heckscher 30 January 2025 04:42 PM

agreed - another grumpy old man!

Caroline de Braganza 30 January 2025 04:45 PM

I agree.

Greeff Kotzé 30 January 2025 07:29 PM

We need a ‘Report’ button for when one of these slip through, at the very least.

Trenton Carr 31 January 2025 07:23 AM

It does not work because for me, on mobile I can only press on the green button because the red button is covered by and ad, if I dismiss the ad, I still cannot click the red button because the page won't slide down for me to see the red button. So to post a comment I have to approve all comments

louw.nic 30 January 2025 04:19 PM

I am in favour of African solutions to African problems, rather than (foreign) intervention by USA, GB, France, Russia, China etc. That being said, this situation has gone from embarrassing to farcical. 6 million dead, 7.2m displaced in the DRC. No wonder the the world won't take us seriously.

Johan Buys 30 January 2025 04:32 PM

A cursory look at a map and statistics shows how ridiculous the concept is of Rwanda threatening DRC. Why is SA even involved here? Let DRC and Rwanda sort out their issues. All I can imagine is the real interests being protected are mine owners’ interests.

Greeff Kotzé 30 January 2025 07:43 PM

What the map doesn’t show is how weak and unstable the DRC is. Rwanda is just one role-player. Corneille Nangaa, former elections chief and leader of AFC (of which M23 is just one member), has said that their objective is not Goma, but the capital Kinshasa.

Lian 2 February 2025 06:42 PM

Bring our toups home

Robbed Blind 30 January 2025 05:05 PM

“It is a moot point, though, whether that has not already happened.” This is one of the most poorly constructed sentences I’ve read on DM. It doesn’t make logical or grammatical sense. Where are the editors?

D'Esprit 30 January 2025 10:06 PM

Makes sense to me?

Rob Wilson 30 January 2025 05:12 PM

Why we even bother with a defence force given the lack of committment to support one is beyond me. We need effective coast and border guards, and a special forces battalion, with matching support equipment. Oh,and a Minister of Defence who knows what it is. We are not about to invade anyone.

Fred Lightly Said 30 January 2025 07:06 PM

I recalled a DM article from a few years back on this point. Google "South African airforce has become an expensive, dysfunctional luxury" (article by Guy Leitch). Same rationalisation is required across all SA armed forces. Armed forces need to become purposeful.

d***y@g***.com 1 February 2025 01:16 PM

Lets not forget a well trained , well resourced mobile infantry regiments with armour and aviation support if we are going to take on these so called "Peace Keeping " missions. The Ukraine and Israel wars have shown taking and holding territory still needs to be core competency of any military.

jbmudumbi 30 January 2025 06:09 PM

That's how PK operates. He means what he has said, and as South Africans, it would be naive of us not taking him seriously. And remember, he's on western world payroll. So, all this is connected to BRICS+, RUSSIA&UKRAINE, as well as ISRAEL&PALESTINE

D'Esprit 30 January 2025 10:11 PM

Kagame doesn't care about Ukraine, BRICS or Palestine, or, for that matter, Syria, Taiwan, Afghanistan, Sudan or any other conflict outside of Rwanda's direct interests. He cares about Rwanda, and access to a greater Tutsi empire, replete with massive mineral wealth.

keith.ciorovich 30 January 2025 07:09 PM

Paul Kagame stopped the Genocide of Tutsi's in 1994 whilst the rest of the world did nothing. It will sound unpatriotic but perhaps what he says is correct as our President tells "porkies" The DRC is to blame for its own troubles.

z***b@g***.com 30 January 2025 08:58 PM

SA ANC govt has increasingly looked and sounded very banana republic-like last few years, notably in the past few days,-regarding peacekeeping. Right... as soon as mercs are in the country it's usually to prop up a corrupt dictator. SA has lost so much credibility.

Moses Maropola 30 January 2025 10:11 PM

It's wrong to say he threatened SA. It's the kidney of reporting that riles up people and stirs hostilities. Kagame simply DARED the Buffalo to gore if it cam, he will be waiting. Threatening is when he says I'm coming down south.

Michael 30 January 2025 10:12 PM

A couple of recent headlines illustrate S Africa's importance in the DRC: "Kagame discusses ceasefire with USA" and French foreign minister flies into Kigali. ie Nil.

roelf.pretorius 31 January 2025 02:45 AM

Kagame is clearly not being honest. He does not want any more attention on the fact that his troops are illegally in the DRC. Also, he is clearly trying to discredit Ramaphosa as a result. I am not so sure that the SADC, SA, the AU, or even the UNSC, can let him get away with that.

j***y@f***.co.za 31 January 2025 08:10 AM

I can easily believe Ramaphosa telling him what he wanted to hear and then doing differently. He is not called spineless for nothing. He really is the most spineless president this country has ever had and will ever have.

Ig Viljoen 31 January 2025 06:22 AM

Paul Kagame and Vlad Putin have the same speech writer to legitimize their claims on foreign territory.

D Rod 31 January 2025 07:11 AM

Lol. You are watching too much mainstream media...

Dave Martin 31 January 2025 07:43 AM

Having spent time in the DRC including North Kivu, I would say that SA should stay out of this. North Kivu is way too complex a problem to be fixed by South Africa. Deep ethnic, historical & economic complexities. Perhaps a Rwandan occupation will bring progress, but will the Congolese fight back?

Peter Atller 31 January 2025 08:09 AM

Why was Biden in Angola, promoting US rail plans for DRC/Congo, to move natural resources to the US. Kagame is just a puppet, this is the West playing their usual games & when the time is right , Kagame will be gone. Seen this movie before only difference, the lead local idiot.

Ed 31 January 2025 10:45 AM

Kagame a local idiot?? I don’t think so: a VERY smart, strategic and ruthless man, more like.

Peter Atller 31 January 2025 11:53 AM

why is PK in power for 24 years, why was his image dry cleaned by the West? He is the puppet of the West to make their little project DRC exploitation opaque. He is way out of his league, we know how African strongmen end up, once they have served their purpose...he should not put on a spotlight.

A Rosebank 31 January 2025 08:29 AM

Suspect there are more narratives here. 1st narrative; most African leaders do their best to keep their “club mates” in power, often at the expense of their people. This is the dominant narrative. 2nd narrative; a very few do their best for their people even if it means breaking with the club.

A Rosebank 31 January 2025 08:38 AM

PG has led R on a different trajectory to most African countries. Visit Burundi, DRC, Uganda and R. African govts don’t like this. It shows them up. DM should interview Goma residents and ask them which country would they like to be in - DRC or R? Only the elites like the colonial boundaries.

D Rod 31 January 2025 01:23 PM

Spot on, I have been in Rwanda and I was impressed by what I have seen. A functioning country with strong law enforcement and a vision how to get themselves out of poverty without begging bowl. I wish South Africa has a mindset like that.

Rae 31 January 2025 09:27 AM

The mind boggling dumping of our defence portfolio into Angie Motshekga's lap screams for a change of plan. It's almost as bad as Donald Trump's choice of an ex presenter at Fox News to now be in charge of the Pentagon. At least he had some military experience. What has Motshekga got ?

D Rod 31 January 2025 12:16 PM

Attendance certificate to some irrelevant course....

District Six 31 January 2025 08:03 PM

Ridiculous comment. Motsheka is a political head of defence, not a soldier. She has soldiers reporting to her. We saw what happened (lockdown) when a civilian govt plays soldier. The military must be under civilian control.

keith.ciorovich 1 February 2025 01:32 PM

Her record as Minister of Education is a clear indication of her ability or lack thereof. A political appointment yes, but as you indicated ridiculous

Ashton van Schoor 31 January 2025 10:30 AM

Just bring them back. Or they'll all come home in bodybags. The terror of being surrounded and abandoned must be horrific. I wish that on no-one.

V***z@y***.com 31 January 2025 10:32 AM

Today's SADF can't even stop a uprising on its own home soil! How the hell are they going to stop a armed force invading SA! 50% of SADF is fat, 30% is just plain corrupt & 10% big boys are so old they can fall over at any minute!

Ndabenhle Ngubane 31 January 2025 11:07 AM

This comment was approved by DM? WOW!

Sheila Vrahimis 31 January 2025 11:46 AM

do you believe cr? i rather believe rwandan president. have'nt yet called him out on half truths

Jean-Michele Groenewald 31 January 2025 12:29 PM

All sorta racist comments between old whities stuck in the "good ole days" and black millenials and Zs still looking for the good new days... guys, the world of DEI is dead, a soldier of merit and skill should fight for u, or go fight there for urself. Simple.

j***0@g***.com 31 January 2025 01:30 PM

It's not a race issue, it's a leadership issue. The 32 Battalion was 90% black and the most feared unit in the Bush War. The top brass of SA politics all have financial interest in the DRC and the SANDF is their disposable security. It's the age old conundrum of brilliant troops with no support.

Pieter van de Venter 31 January 2025 01:42 PM

It is not just the race, but also the culture. In citizen force days, we met MK twice and it was really nothing to write home about. The majority of the generals, are MK caders and have nothing to do with combat knowledge - maybe political. So I guess, 5 or 6 SADF generals and some campers.

Mike Pragmatist 31 January 2025 03:10 PM

JellyFish must be wobbling in his Gucci Loafers. He knows that SA no longer has anything resembling a Military Force, as the ANC and their Cadres ate all the funds they required. Send a "peace-keeping force" to African countries without proper equipment? "Job Creation"?

jackt bloek 31 January 2025 03:41 PM

the right thing for South Africa to do is tell Rwanda to take over eastern congo and the 10 million people living there + the minerals and develop that area

a***e@g***.com 31 January 2025 08:21 PM

Please send sandf some real hardware like rooivalk helicopter and surveillance equipment etc. If we don't have these then bring them back.

Roke Wood 1 February 2025 12:49 PM

It seems SA troops are part of a "peacekeeping" force. what surprises me is that they were taken so quickly and easily by the m23 rebels. This is most likely an intelligence blunder or lack of it. They could and should have been aware of the oncoming rebels a decent time b4 the rebels attacked.

Roke Wood 1 February 2025 01:54 PM

there a many comments about the SADF vs SANDF - they cannot be compared. Firstly the SANDF is poorly funded and has suffered budget cuts since 1994 (losing billions in funding). 2nd the SADF was better trained, disciplined and armoured...and the change to the SANDF resulted in many bases closing.

Roke Wood 2 February 2025 09:27 AM

Threats from a tiny landlocked country like Rwanda? what are they gonna do to SA from the middle of Africa? I mean whats the point of Rwanda really? We should just level Rwanda and concrete the whole place and turn it into a car park for real Africa.