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After the Bell: Ramaphosa and Musk meet. Sad!

That Musk and Ramaphosa met is better than not meeting. Something could still eventuate (and let’s hope it does), but that doesn’t mean they overcame their stand-off.
Tim Cohen
bm tim atb MuskMeet From left: Elon Musk, co-founder of Tesla and SpaceX and owner of X Holdings. (Photo: Apu Gomes / Getty Images) | South African President Cyril Ramaphosa. (Photo: Gallo Images / Lefty Shivambu)

What would you guess the world’s richest man, Elon Musk, and President Cyril Ramaphosa discussed when they met briefly in New York this week? We don’t know, but honestly, I can’t imagine a conversation between two people more at cross purposes.

I presume Ramaphosa made one or all of the following pitches:

  1. Invest in SA because we have lots of raw materials you need for everything from your rockets to your electric cars.
  2. Invest in SA because after all you were born in the country and it would be nice.
  3. Invest in SA because we are heading in the right direction economically, just talk to my friend, Trade and Industry Minister Parks Tau, next to me here.
  4. We would really like it if we could come to an agreement about Starlink because we look like backwards tech idiots since every country in southern Africa has licensed the satellite internet system except us.

What does Musk say in response? Presumably, he says, wonderful to meet you, fabulous meeting, talk to my people – I need to go and launch a rocket.

He must have been so vague because if they had agreed on any specific investment project, they would have announced it. It’s noteworthy that Musk also met Namibian President Nangolo Mbumba and Lesotho’s Prime Minister Sam Matekane. Clearly, there was a greeting line.

It is early days and the fact that Musk and Ramaphosa met is better than not meeting. Something could still eventuate (and let’s hope it does), but that doesn’t mean they overcame their stand-off.

Take Starlink for example. If you consider the digital gap to be a problem, which it obviously is, Starlink could provide at least a partial solution. It’s ideally suited as an internet distribution mechanism on the African continent where so many people live far apart and are generally poor.

What you need in these circumstances is a system that is relatively cheap and has efficient, broad distribution. Starlink is a bit more expensive than broadband fibre cable, but providing fibre links to cover all South Africans would be prohibitively expensive which is why broadband is focused principally in urban areas.

As for cost, the comparison is ridiculous. Starlink residential costs $120 per month with uncapped data (just over R2,000). It is possible for rural residents to get internet on their smartphones should they own them (most do), but it’s wildly beyond the budgets of most South Africans.

Cellphone data costs around R120 per gig which means you would get just over 17 gigs at the same rate for unlimited access on Starlink. The difference is so stark, it makes you suspicious about the real reason we don’t have Starlink. It’s worth asking whether the cellphone industry is quietly discouraging the SA government from licensing Starlink to protect its lucrative data oligopoly.

Whatever the case, the latest census finds that only 14% of SA’s households have internet at home. In the mostly rural provinces of Mpumalanga and Limpopo that figure drops to 3.1% and 4.5% respectively, which in the modern day is verging on the ridiculous. So much for our Fourth Industrial Revolution.

BEE

But the primary reason that Starlink is not available in SA has, I suspect, to do with black economic empowerment. Given Musk’s right-wing lurch, I suspect he is less than inclined to give away 25% of his equity in the local company. The Communications Department is consequently in a fix because until now, cellphone licences came with huge BEE stipulations. Would it be fair to grant Musk a free pass when the other licensees got stung with the full gamut of SA’s BEE burden?

Musk would argue, I presume, that if you want tech innovation, you need to make allowances – particularly if the population in general is going to benefit so handsomely. A whole bunch of international tech companies like Google and Microsoft operate in SA, and they aren’t required to hand over a quarter of their equity, even though they strip billions out of the country every year. SA does that because a) when it comes to some aspects of global tech, your bargaining power is limited and b) because broadly, the country as a whole benefits.

When it comes to the other pitch points, the same kind of arguments apply. SA’s government has been saying it’s on the right track economically for decades now, but transparently isn’t. It has also been saying for yonks that it’s concentrating on ease of doing business, but transparently hasn’t. And it has been saying it encourages foreign investment in natural resources, but transparently doesn’t.

So Musk could have a reason to meet and greet and move on.

But you know, Ramaphosa could also have reason to shake and move on too. Musk is now firmly in the Donald Trump camp; his public persona is odious and his handling of X has been disastrous. He is so rich, he’s impervious to well-intentioned, sensible advice, and unable to muster it himself. And I say this as a (former) fan!

Most people would struggle to run a single multibillion-dollar company; Musk runs five. Most people would be satisfied with revolutionising a global industry; Musk has revolutionised three, with two more unfolding.

This is all very impressive but in the best of all worlds, what investment would mean for Ramaphosa – and SA – would be a very US-centric, unmanageable partner with an unpleasant predilection for infantile hysteria and verging-on-racist conspiracy theories.

On reflection, he too could shake, smile … and wave. DM

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johangro 26 September 2024 06:25 AM

Lol, "right wing"

louw.nic 26 September 2024 09:48 AM

If I do not want to give away 25% of MY COMPANY to parties who provide no capital, expertise, managerial skills, or anything of value; and who take no risk...I am "right wing". LOL.

Karl Sittlinger 26 September 2024 03:25 PM

The Right calls everything they don't like woke, and the Left call everything they don't like Alt Right or Far Right wing.

Greeff Kotzé 28 September 2024 05:27 PM

That's not how BEE partnerships work. Capital needs to be invested, with risk. It's not a free stake, unless the parent company decides it WANTS to discount it or give it away. The "free" narrative has been repeated so often, it has now become accepted as fact in the eyes of the general public.

Jan Smith 14 October 2024 11:29 AM

@Greeff, in most instances shares were sold at significantly reduced priced, which obviously also reduces risk. Of the top 10 listed companies on the JSE, 7 have significant BBBEE schemes where shares were sold at reduced prices. I would jump at the chance to get the same deal.

Biff Trotters 27 September 2024 12:57 AM

"lurch", you know what that is?

Colin Hendriks 26 September 2024 06:27 AM

I don't get this article. Having set out the benefits of Starlink, the author then justifies not having it because of the politics of its owner.

Iota Jot 30 December 2024 10:42 AM

No he doesn't. He sets out the benefits. Then he hypothesises what Musk and Ramaphosa might have said to one another, what their thoughts might be and what their motivations might be. He is clearly a fan of Starlink. Musk's, Ramaphosa's/ANC's or both of their stances is the issue.

N***i@g***.com 26 September 2024 08:20 AM

"He must have been so vague because if they had agreed on any specific investment project, they would have announced it." The article wants us to think the president went over there to see Musk on specific invitation. That is "sad"

Ifitwalkslikeaduck P 26 September 2024 08:32 AM

You should be careful of basing any decision purely on politics particularly when the level of disruption we see is occurring. Just look at history and what the Romans did to those around them who did not agree with their politics...SA will be poorer if we don't look for a pragmatic solution.

Bob 26 September 2024 08:32 AM

So Tim, pray do tell. Who are you a fan of? I more than suspect that Elon has a huge fan base in SA. As not only him, but his mother, brother, sister and cousins are all hugely successful.

cs0834815071 26 September 2024 01:44 PM

Agreed This article lowered my opinion of the writer and not of the subject

Kanu 27 September 2024 02:43 PM

The subject is the 'arrogance' and 'infantalism' of Elon .. and no amount of 'money' can remedy that ! Even Britain 'rejected' him and his 'politics' as did its penal colony Australia and Brazil. Smell the coffee and wake up from the cult . Congrats to Tim for taking the first step.

Gavrel 30 December 2024 11:45 AM

Thank you, Musk's father clearly is a proponent of apartheid, I guess one of the reasons Trump likes Musk. Lovers of both seems to think that development goes along the line of technical solutions and not social. Both of them will destroy USA's relationships and its standing. Time will show.

m***e@a***.co.za 26 September 2024 08:39 AM

The costs mentioned in relation to Starlink are not competitive. A Vodacom LTE chip inserted into a smartphone provides 100gig anytime data at a very reasonable cost comparatively. No extra gadgets required. Hotspot to other utilities. Simple and smart.

taunbwshr 26 September 2024 09:17 AM

But you need to be in an area with good cellphone coverage for it to work. Huge parts of rural South Africa aren’t. Starlink can also provide decent backhaul capacity in these areas, to link up multiple households via line of site dishes spreading the cost.

Just another 26 September 2024 11:11 AM

But it the coverage ubiquitous? I expect that the Starlink solution has larger coverage. But at a huge price. Swings and roundabouts.

g***n@g***.com 27 September 2024 06:56 PM

Take into account reliability as well, we have forgotten already that cellphone towers stop working during extended loadshedding and batteries and cables get stolen frequently.

alastairmgf 26 September 2024 08:43 AM

Isn’t it funny how the woke left have overnight fallen out of love with Musk? Particularly South Africans. He was “our golden boy”. Show any conservative leaning, any anti woke ideas, and out you go pal. Not allowed. Voetsek.

John P 26 September 2024 11:54 AM

There is such a thing as not being right wing without being "woke". Most people I suspect are somewhere in the middle.

Stu McCro 26 September 2024 02:19 PM

Thank you. Something many a commentator here could learn... Still I'm the black white realm I suppose

Steve Davidson 27 September 2024 07:18 AM

You miss the point entirely. It's not a question of 'left' or 'right' it's about democrats (small 'd') and potential dictators such as Trump. If you can't see that then you're as daft as the MAGAmorons buying all his products - and lies.

rkeenemail 27 September 2024 08:04 AM

...and you buy harris' incoherent and juvenille word salads?...phht.

Angus Walsh 27 September 2024 08:46 AM

Exactly….

John P 27 September 2024 08:53 AM

Have you actually listened to any of Kamala's interviews or speeches or do you rely entirely on what Trump, MAGA and Fox have to say?

Kanu 27 September 2024 03:26 PM

Even IF they do 'listen' they hear only what they want to .. or the parts that suit their agenda ! Hariri describes it as humanity's simultaneous propensity for both wisdom/learning and utter stupidity.. though not in the same person/s necessarily.

Iota Jot 30 December 2024 10:53 AM

Yes, that's it exactly. Clear choice: either you support Trump or you buy Harris' 'word salads'. Absolutely no other option. What a simple world you in live: black and white; left and right. Where did Steve D mention Harris? He made a point of distinguishing 'democrats' from 'Democrats'.

George 007 30 December 2024 08:05 AM

American living in Cape Town. Woke is a talking point created by the right. People on the left don't use the term. The left was never in love with Musk so they can't fall out of love. People have lost faith in Musk because of his weird behavior. Read Walter Isaacson's biography to learn more.

Robert Carter 26 September 2024 09:09 AM

"whether the cellphone industry is quietly discouraging". Would be interesting to learn just what form that this "quietly discouraging" takes!

v.vendeigo 26 September 2024 01:45 PM

find out which politicians have business interests with the mobile networks and you will get your answer

v.vendeigo 26 September 2024 01:45 PM

find out which politicians have business interests with the mobile networks and you will get your answer

Johan Buys 26 September 2024 10:27 AM

SL needs SA for land-based fiber backhaul to the world. Without land stations, a huge swathe of SL data has to hop sat:sat:sat:sat:sat…:a land station elsewhere. Look at the SL map and you see where they have land stations = enormous circle around SA where SL has no land stations…

Gugu1 26 September 2024 10:30 AM

Addressing disempowerwent of the majority in SA is a constitutional injunction. It is SA law, following centuries of white economic empowerment. There's nothing wrong with black economic empowerment per se. What's the problem is the manner the ANC has being doing it and the BBBEE Act.

ttshililo2 26 September 2024 03:49 PM

Gugu I thought it was lovely that they met- I hope Ramaphosa told him to stop lying about this imagined white genocide taking place here.

rkeenemail 27 September 2024 08:09 AM

The anc' bee and aa besides being racist, are also a long term and inevitable "genocide" of the Caucasian population who after 30 years remain a target of the non-causian comrades.

m***k@i***.co.za 26 September 2024 10:49 AM

Everyone should also be aware that there are way cheaper geo satellite solutions that cover all of SA right now. With local earth stations so latency is workable. The government has completely ignored this fact. Ku and Ka band. Stick a dish in a rural area and provide Wi-Fi.

c***8@g***.com 26 September 2024 11:46 AM

Elon Musk needs nothing from RSA especially with the total corruption that crept in under the ANC. RSA on the other hand need urban area internet coverage that Musk can supply - however Starlink is too expensive for the population, but fine for businesses in those areas.

a***n@g***.com 26 September 2024 01:01 PM

This article pushes Tim Cohen’s opinions over facts. Speculation about the Musk-Ramaphosa meeting is presented as truth, unfairly criticizing both based on bias instead of evidence. Journalism should focus on facts and what actually happened, not personal assumptions.

Greeff Kotzé 28 September 2024 05:33 PM

It's clearly an op-ed rather than a hard news article. Opinions are to be expected.

v.vendeigo 26 September 2024 01:40 PM

Musk through his purchase and control of X is proving to be the last bastion of free speech. X is banned in Brazil, how long before the UK goes the same way. When a government fears free speech to the point that they ban it, you can be sure they will be remembered on the wrong side of history.

Stu McCro 26 September 2024 02:26 PM

Including the darling 1st world ones

Johan Buys 26 September 2024 03:13 PM

Vince: I think most people are pro free speech. BUT…. Just like NYTimes or DM for example are legally liable for content they publish (and sell ads for), the social media platforms should be legally liable. They’re rich, big and tech savvy, they must be able to control content?

B M 27 September 2024 06:34 PM

Agreed. Freedom of speech does not been an absence of accountability or consequence of your speech. As an example, at the moment, X does not hold its members accountable for speech that does not meet community standards. You can say what you want without any repercussions.

Chris Hill 26 September 2024 03:23 PM

I get the impression that that most people commenting read a different article to me?

MT Wessels 26 September 2024 09:25 PM

Agree. Absurd conclusions.

Peter Oosthuizen 27 September 2024 10:05 AM

Agreed

louis viljee 30 December 2024 12:57 PM

How sad! It seems old prejudices don't die easily.

D'Esprit 26 September 2024 04:33 PM

Im Malawi at the moment and just paid R75 for a Simcard and 20G of data, so R3,75/G. Not sure how that compares to non-contract data in SA?

arundel.bryan 27 September 2024 08:58 AM

SA data charges are amongst the most expensive on the planet.

Kenny Arundel 30 December 2024 09:53 AM

That they are.

Lucas Somtseu 27 September 2024 06:59 AM

Whilst we need to leverage technological advancement like other nations, our national vibe and drive for an inclusive economy cannot be ignored and betrayed for narrow quick wins. Unregulated capitalism has a great potential for destruction as well.

theresa burdett 27 September 2024 08:35 AM

And South Africa is thriving???? Failure is a hard thing to admit and SA has failed big time.

theresa burdett 27 September 2024 08:33 AM

If I were Elon I would not be prepared to give away 25% of my company either. The BBEEE has destroyed company value. There is no such thing as a free ride. You are either capable of running your own company without freebies or you are not. If you are not why should it be free???

Greeff Kotzé 28 September 2024 05:46 PM

It. Isn't. Free. Show one example where equity has simply been given away for nothing in return. Just one. Come on, we'll wait.

Jan Smith 14 October 2024 11:15 AM

@ Greeff, you are partly correct. MTN, Naspers, Sasol and AB InBev have all created special schemes in which BBBEE groups received shares to increase their percentage black ownership. In most cases the share were sold at a discounted rate, but not all, some were given away.

Angus Walsh 27 September 2024 08:44 AM

Musk ‘odious’? Come on….. good article until you throw in comments like that.

alastairmgf 27 September 2024 09:54 AM

It will be interesting to see who blinks first. What is more important: Cheap internet for all or BEE ideology?

B M 27 September 2024 06:38 PM

20 years of BBBEEE and the results should give a clue towards ANC's success of balancing of the opposing concepts of market forces and market intervention.

Kevin Immelman 27 September 2024 06:11 PM

Something wrong with your figures here. Data currently costs around R18 - R25 a Gig, nothing like the R120 you claim. And your anti Elon Musk bias is too evident. Musk can do a helluva lot for the country, if he is handled correctly.

g***n@g***.com 27 September 2024 07:00 PM

That is on a contract and not pay as you go?

B M 27 September 2024 07:09 PM

quick check on Vodacom: 1.2GB - R89 - 0.07c. Yes, you may get it cheaper if you buy a bundle, or connect a contract. Tough to know if the prices are cost related, or if it is just an oligopoly. That the providers "can" offer data much cheaper indicates the pricing is overstated.

jeff.pillay 28 September 2024 03:43 PM

Still couldn't figure why the author labeled this meeting as "sad"

Jane Crankshaw 30 December 2024 06:38 AM

I reluctantly agree with Musk on this one….BEE policies are divisive, racist outdated and usually now only benefit the politically connected. Nothing right-wing about Musk’s stand on this particular issue - it’s purely economic…he has the goods, we need the goods…end of story!

lukas.nel 30 December 2024 09:28 AM

"Strip" is a loaded word. Microsoft and Google provide a ton of benefits to South Africans and they rightfully make a profit from doing so.

Jane Crankshaw 30 December 2024 03:55 PM

Agree

Mark Elkins 30 December 2024 10:41 AM

A few years ago, I suggested at a conference to the DoC that for remote locations, a Starlink dish could be shared between ten households, with Wifi linking them together to the Starlink. The monthly cost would then be 1/10th of what you quote. The Dish could be sponsored by Starlink instead of BEE

Fathima Dada 30 December 2024 10:57 AM

Ramaphosa used to own shares in MTN, if I recall. And Musk hates SA. Match made in heaven.