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Pandor says Israel is ignoring the ICJ order to stop killings in Gaza

Naledi Pandor says it’s now up to the international community to take action on the International Court of Justice order against Israel.
velani-anc-wcape International Relations and Cooperation Minister Naledi Pandor. (Photo: Gallo Images / Lefty Shivambu)

The South African government says Israel is ignoring the order of the International Court of Justice (ICJ) to prevent genocide in Gaza. Pretoria has urged the international community to take action to stop it. 

South Africa had done what it could to stop the killing in Gaza by referring Israel to the ICJ and it was now up to others to take up the cause, International Relations and Cooperation Minister Naledi Pandor said at a press conference on Wednesday, 31 January.

Pandor suggested that the UN Security Council could be reformed to give it the power to enforce peace and not just monitor peace agreements. (Photo: Gallo Images / Lefty Shivambu)
Pandor suggested that the UN Security Council could be reformed to give it the power to enforce peace and not just monitor peace agreements. (Photo: Gallo Images / Lefty Shivambu)

“I do believe the rulings of the court have been ignored by Israel. Hundreds of people have been killed in the past three or four days. And clearly Israel believes it has licence to do as it wishes. So the world has to reflect … what do we do to stop such acts occurring not just with Israel but any party in the world?” Pandor said.

She said Israel’s recent attacks on hospitals in particular “totally go against the grain of the ICJ ruling and the provisions of the Genocide Convention”.

Pandor suggested that one remedy would be for the UN Security Council to be reformed to give it the power to enforce peace and not just monitor peace agreements.

“I believe South Africa has done what it can, and now the global community must answer the question: do these conventions mean anything? Or do we now have a world in which there is open licence where you can act as you will against any vulnerable group?”

Mobilising support

Nonetheless, South Africa would continue to mobilise international support for Palestine aimed at protecting its people, but particularly at trying to ensure negotiations for a two-state solution, she said.

She noted that the ICJ had ordered Israel to report back to the court in a month on its implementation of the court orders (such as preventing genocide in Gaza and ensuring basic services and humanitarian aid). South Africa would wait to see what Israel reported and then submit its own commentary “of what we have seen since the ICJ ruling”.

Pandor also suggested that Israel’s accusation that 12 staff members of the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees (UNRWA) had participated in the 7 October Hamas attacks inside Israel was part of a deliberate campaign of “negative actions against the people of Palestine … Every day there’ll be a different intervention which seeks to undermine … our conviction that genocide is under way.”

Pandor denied allegations that Hamas had financed South Africa’s legal challenge to Israel at the ICJ. (Photo: Katlholo Maifadi / Dirco)
Pandor denied allegations that Hamas had financed South Africa’s legal challenge to Israel at the ICJ. (Photo: Katlholo Maifadi / Dirco)

Pandor said South Africa would mobilise support from its own resources and from other countries, especially in the Global South, to compensate UNRWA for the suspension of support from some Western countries because of the accusation.

Pandor called these suspensions “collective punishment”, noting that UNRWA had suspended the accused staffers and was investigating the allegations.

From ICJ to ICC

She also revealed that while she was in The Hague for the ICJ case, she had also met International Criminal Court (ICC) president Piotr Hofmański and prosecutor Karim Khan “to alert them of our concern about the slow pace of action on matters we referred to them as urgent”.

She was referring to South Africa joining several other states in referring the situation in Palestine to the ICC in November last year.

She said the prosecutor assured them that the matter was in hand and was being looked at by his office.

But Pandor said she didn’t think the prosecutor had answered her sufficiently on her question on “why he was able to issue an arrest warrant for Mr Putin and was unable to do so for the prime minister of Israel. He couldn’t answer and did not answer that question.”

However, she said, he indicated that the investigations were still under way and until they were concluded, he couldn’t answer.  

Pandor also denied allegations in the public domain that Hamas had financed South Africa’s legal challenge to Israel at the ICJ. She said she hadn’t checked with the ANC on whether Iran was providing it with finance, as has also been rumoured.

Read more on Daily Maverick: Fact Check — Did Iran fund South Africa’s approach to the ICJ over Israel?

She said she had not spoken to Hamas since her phone call with the leader Ismail Haniyeh last October which had attracted so much criticism. But she said that she had spoken to some colleagues who had direct contact with Hamas “who continue to discuss the release of hostages – but a ceasefire is critical for that to happen”.

Pandor brushed off the decisions by the Israeli airline El Al to suspend flights to South Africa and of some Israeli supermarkets to stop buying South African fruit, because of South Africa’s ICJ action. She said she didn’t think El Al provided a major airline service to SA anyway.  

South Africa had to protect its national interest. “But the concern about the national interest must not make us a partner to atrocity,” she said.

Pandor said South Africa would look to other countries, especially in the Gulf and Asia, to replace the market lost in Israel. This should include growing its halaal food exports.

Read more in Daily Maverick: Diplomatic fallout of ICJ ruling on Israel could put SA’s Agoa renewal at risk

SA case ‘no longer meritless’

On the next steps in the ICJ case, Pandor said South Africa expected other countries to submit papers formally to the ICJ intervening on South Africa’s side as friends of the court when it deliberated on the substantial question of whether Israel had committed genocide in Gaza. 

She said some countries had confirmed to her that they would intervene, but she didn’t want to name them until they made the announcement themselves.

Minister Naledi Pandor with director-general of the Department of International Relations and Cooperation Zane Dangor in Pretoria on 31 January 2024. Photos: Katlholo Maifadi / Dirco)
Pandor and director-general of the Department of International Relations and Cooperation Zane Dangor in Pretoria on 31 January 2024. Photos: Katlholo Maifadi / Dirco)

Zane Dangor, director-general of the Department of International Relations and Cooperation, said that over the next couple of days, the registrar of the ICJ would call in the South African and Israeli lawyers to outline the time frame for filing papers on the merits of the case. 

He said South Africa hoped that it would take no more than six months for both sides to file those papers, but that it was possible it might take only three months. These would just be the first steps in a very long process.

Read more in Daily Maverick: Israel-Palestine War

Pandor noted that despite the US’s prior rejection of South Africa’s case against the ICJ as “baseless” and “without merit”, the US had said after the ICJ ruling that the ruling reflected positions expressed by President Joe Biden on a ceasefire. “So it was no longer meritless,” Pandor said. 

She said that when she spoke to Secretary of State Antony Blinken the day before the ICJ ruling, “he did re-emphasise their strong belief that a ceasefire is necessary. But to them, it’s a temporary ceasefire for humanitarian purposes, not a permanent end.

“He also stressed that America will work hard at the two-state solution.” 

On the state of diplomatic relations with Israel, Pandor said the Cabinet still had to reflect upon the final closure of the embassy in Israel following a parliamentary resolution, which the ANC supported last year, that the government should sever relations with Israel. 

She recalled that South Africa had withdrawn its ambassador from Israel (in 2018) and then, after the killing of thousands of people in Gaza, had closed the embassy “until we have visible signs that action is being taken towards ending the killings”. DM

Comments

Bill Gild Feb 1, 2024, 01:17 PM

Blood libels targeting Jews go back many centuries, if not milleniums. First, the church, then Russia's tsars, then the communists, and now - the "progressive" left. Not to be outdone, Pandor has reinvented a new, refurbished blood libel! Who would have guessed that this excuse for a foreign minister could have been so inventive.

abriseposbus Feb 1, 2024, 01:42 PM

“Blood libel” - such an overly dramatic term used by the world’s most entitled cry babies. Ag shame. The world has no place for racists, sexists or Zionists. Voetsek drek!

John P Feb 1, 2024, 03:02 PM

Gerhard whilst I agree that the use of "blood libel" is overly dramatic and often used to deflect criticism and garner sympathy the rest of your comment is excessive and unpleasant to say the least.

Markgelman.ct Feb 1, 2024, 03:23 PM

Whereas "genocide" is not an overly dramatic term in a conflict where 2 civilians have been killed for every combatant? Tell me is there place in your world for jihad? Is there room in your definition of racists for the hatred of Jews and the desire to eliminate them from the world? Israelis are the antithesis of entitled. They have come back from the brink to create a prosperous, powerful and thriving state through hard work and determination and fierce independence. If only the same could have been said of the Palestinians who have repeatedly rejected statehood and have made nothing of almost 20 years since Israel pulled out of Gaza, other than to choose to be governed by the very racists and sexists you seem to abhor. Entitlement is to reject all offers of autonomy and independence and instead rely on handouts - then use the handouts to stockpile weapons and build tunnels. Entitlement is to want it ALL without compromise. If you want to better grasp the monster that is being fought, and the refusal to give up on the hostages, read the article currently on the BBC website "Israelis tell British MPs of evidence of Hamas sexual violence". Then ask yourself what your position would be if it were your daughter or wife? You are quite wrong that the world has no place for Zionists. The world has Israel. No other country has ever been able to offer the Jewish people safety. It has simply never been possible and Jews have been persecuted endlessly. Israel in necessary.

John P Feb 1, 2024, 04:29 PM

I can only assume your were responding to a different post

Bill Gild Feb 1, 2024, 05:05 PM

"Voetsek drek". Really? How did this drivel pass muster?

Andregroblersp Feb 1, 2024, 01:23 PM

Oh… like some banana republic that didn’t arrest the Al-Basheer fellow for what was it again? Genocide? Crimes against humanity type thing

Alexander Grant Feb 1, 2024, 01:32 PM

The UN-managed UNRWA are HAMAS indoctrinators. Why must anyone in their right mind contribute to a terrorist organization to continue to contribute to instability in Israel? Instead of building tunnels, they should cultivate their produce from the land. This is not in the interest of the Iranian Sabre rattlers. They just want to sew hate instead of producing their sustenance. There is a VAST difference between seeking democratic freedom and living in a dictatorship of terrorists. Naledi Pandor sides with terrorists and by extension Iran. Who is paying the South African Government to act on their behalf.

Ben Harper Feb 2, 2024, 06:05 AM

Thankfully the majority of the biggest donors have withdrawn funding for UNWRA

William Dryden Feb 1, 2024, 01:52 PM

Pandor is pushing the Israeli subject because if she didn't they would loose the money that Iran is paying the ANC to keep up the rhetoric against Israel.

John P Feb 1, 2024, 07:30 PM

That is pure assumption

Christianhlippe Feb 1, 2024, 10:26 PM

And most likely

John P Feb 2, 2024, 08:26 AM

Possible but not fact and therefore is libelous until proven.

Ben Harper Feb 7, 2024, 05:51 AM

Hahahaha. In the same vein your claims of Israel not abiding by the ruling are nothing more than libelous

Soil Merchant Feb 1, 2024, 01:52 PM

The murder rate per capita in South Africa is: 45 per 100,000 for the 2022/23 period... We are not "at War" ... How does one, like myself, go to the ICC to lodge a complaint against the current regime?

John P Feb 1, 2024, 04:30 PM

Would that we could but complaints can only come from nations not from individuals

marc.bertrand.sa Feb 1, 2024, 02:24 PM

I always find it strange how we let Bashir out the country ignoring an international arrest warrant but here we are crying about this...

jscotcher Feb 1, 2024, 02:36 PM

I may have missed it but is she complaining that Hammas have not released any hostages? If not, then her claims are misguided at best.

C CMC Feb 1, 2024, 02:40 PM

Pandering to panderverse

neecy128 Feb 1, 2024, 02:47 PM

Naledi Pandor should stop poking her nose in the business of other countries and get her own house in order first. How many people die in SA everyday? How many people live in appalling conditions in this country? How many people go to bed hungry in South Africa? Really Naledi, take a look in your own back yard before you start shouting the odds at what is happening in Gaza! Have you shown compassion to the Uighyars (sp) of Myanmar, to the people of Ukraine, who are suffering horribly every day?? You totally disregard that and instead, devote all of your attention to a terrorist group like Hamas! What is it with the ANC government? But I forget, elections are coming up and you will do anything in your desperation to garner votes and to stay in power. You can try and pull the wool over the eyes of many South African citizens, but many people have become wise to your underhandedness and hopefully this will reflect in the polls. to Your methods are despicable. The only thing left to say, is that the United States has got your measure and are quietly going about pushing you into a corner that you cannot get out of. Watch this space. I am ashamed to be a South African.

John P Feb 1, 2024, 07:31 PM

You significantly over rate our importance, The US does not really care what we think, say or do.

Christianhlippe Feb 1, 2024, 09:30 PM

Agreed, trying to score international political points to further the BRICS Ageneda with their cornies in the Middle East.

Jabu Mhlanga Feb 1, 2024, 03:17 PM

Hope we don't suffer the consequences of mishandled diplomatic and trade relations with Israel and entire western world.

Ben Harper Feb 2, 2024, 06:07 AM

Of course we will, kiss AGOA and a huge chunk of FDI goodbye

Jabu Mhlanga Feb 1, 2024, 03:17 PM

Hope we don't suffer the consequences of mishandled diplomatic and trade relations with Israel and entire western world.

Fayzal Mahamed Feb 1, 2024, 03:21 PM

Well done Naledi Pandor and to our government for the incredible bravery to fight against the genocide of Palestinians in Gaza. I had my misgivings of the ANC because of the corruption, nepotism and poor service delivery, but your bravery has reaffirmed my commitment to the ANC and CR. Viva, South Africa, Viva.

Ben Harper Feb 2, 2024, 06:08 AM

Hahahaha

John P Feb 2, 2024, 08:24 AM

Fayzal this one positive action we have seen from the ANC government is not a good reason for a voting decision. Look at the other side of the scale which is weighed down heavily by corruption, theft, mismanagement and a very selective belief in supporting human rights.

mderauville Feb 1, 2024, 03:56 PM

what a bunch of hipocrits our own government is

leslievminnen Feb 1, 2024, 04:34 PM

Stop making a noise. Your ANC has destroyed this country and has resulted in massive debt and 42% plus unemployment. The day you and your useless commie cronies begin to pay back the money and begin to serve jail sentences for all the theft and corruption you may claim the right to shout the odds about Israel. I still her nothing regarding the 8 million displaced persons in Sudan. And to crown it all our spineless president invites one of the maniacal war loads for a visit. Looked like Mr. Rammie was having a really good time with this killer. Reminds me of the visit by Russia's foreign minister. He too was wined and dined. The ANC are truly the bottom of a bottomless black pit.

les.oconnell Feb 1, 2024, 04:41 PM

Shame! If she, and a number of other political commentators, had the capacity to read and understand the ruling of the ICJ correctly, they would be less disappointed that nothing has changed. There was never a genocide and so telling Israel not to commit genocide changed nothing. She is also predictably quiet on the terrorists not releaseing hostages as recommended by the court.

John P Feb 1, 2024, 08:57 PM

Please read the full ICJ ruling before making comments of this nature

Ben Harper Feb 2, 2024, 06:09 AM

Repeating yourself over and over again will still not make the comment true or relevant

John P Feb 2, 2024, 08:20 AM

This from the man who does nothing but push the "Isarael can do no wrong" agenda. Perhaps you should read the full ruling, this time with an open mind.

Ben Harper Feb 2, 2024, 10:41 AM

Where did I say that John? Clearly you like to fabricate agendas and what people have and haven't said. I have merely pointed out the ICJ ruling doesn't tell Israel to do anything that it's not already doing - something you clearly are unable to see or interpret

Steve Du Plessis Feb 1, 2024, 04:42 PM

The less she says the smarter she appears

Lindsey Kann Feb 1, 2024, 04:47 PM

I totally abhor her comments. The HAMAS organisation have not released the hostages as ordered by the court. South Africa is the one going to suffer in the end. Our country is in financial trouble besides this ridiculous charge. Who is paying the piper here????

John P Feb 1, 2024, 08:59 PM

Yes Hamas have not listened to the court but neither has Israel

claudia5570 Feb 1, 2024, 04:59 PM

It’s actually quite frightening n sickening reading the comments - what kind of people we live amongst? Bottom line is…. A whole people , mainly women’s n children are getting bombed, killed, starved, mistreated, tortured… hospitals, universities, places of worship destroyed. And someone had the guts trying to stop this n call on humanity n all you can do is look for faults in a person or political party …. Have you ever only for a minute, imagined you are living this nightmare… while you sipping your cappuccino sitting at your pool, mh? There shouldn’t even have been the necessity to go to the ICJ or ICC - if humanity had been put above power n greed plus international rules n regulations adhered to. Most of the things Hamas was accused of n what Israel took to justify this massacre by has been proven to be false plus the IDF causing havoc n death on Oct 7th. And speaking about Putin… everybody jumped to accuse him right away at the beginning of the invasion …. Why have those same countries not been accusing Netanyahu & his cabinet of the same n we are still watching people getting massacred n deprived of basic human needs n rights in Palestine after 3 months ?

John P Feb 1, 2024, 07:27 PM

Hamas is certainly not innocent in this war however you raise some very valid points.

owenbradleyka Feb 1, 2024, 08:26 PM

Interesting perspective… I’m sure those with Go Pro’s live streaming and posting to social media, sending videos from to telegram channels, to their relatives and victims relatives whilst beaming with glee after butchering civilians, women and children. I’ll bet those Hamas terrorists may disagree with your views on who were the perpetrators on Oct 7. I ask you , where’s your humanity ?

Ben Harper Feb 2, 2024, 06:13 AM

Wow, just Wow! Hamas actions of 7 Oct false??? That's insane

helen Feb 1, 2024, 05:07 PM

Why does Pandor always target Israel, instead of using her contact with HAMAS to return the hostages as ordered by the ICJ? Then no ceasefire will be necessary, and the war will stop.

John P Feb 1, 2024, 07:25 PM

Regretfully the war will not stop with the release of the hostages, Netanhayu has already said that absolutely nothing but the eradication of Hamas will stop the war.

marc.bertrand.sa Feb 2, 2024, 11:20 AM

The key word being "Hamas".

John P Feb 2, 2024, 01:27 PM

The eradication of Hamas will not stop the war either, at best it will pause whilst a Hamas replacement comes into being. Only a negotiated settlement will bring lasting peace.

mi Feb 1, 2024, 05:28 PM

Strangely Pandor has not kicked up such a fuss when Russia invaded its neighbour resulting in many, many more Ukrainians dying and still dying on a daily basis. Russia acts of brutal aggression are aimed at an attempt at obliterating Ukraine. Why did not SA take Russia to the ICJ? Double standards?...

Christianhlippe Feb 1, 2024, 09:42 PM

Exactly ?

John P Feb 2, 2024, 08:15 AM

Actually Pandor did originally denounce the Russian invasion and then backtracked after she was called to task by the ANC.

Middle aged Mike Feb 2, 2024, 09:23 AM

As any good kleptocommie would. Mansions, X5s and VIP protection posses aren't free after all.

Maj.kno Feb 1, 2024, 05:28 PM

This woman is grandstanding in the world domain for her own purpose, while in her own house the real genocide is happening... never mind those sleeping without food, water, electricity and shelter. But that's not going to get her the political milage she seeks, the mere mention of Palestinians and the milage adds up... they are milking it now because very soon they will whennout of a job, need to start using the stolen millions from the state capturing debacle they still deny they had anything to do with.

Christianhlippe Feb 1, 2024, 09:43 PM

Exactly, cause in her world, Denial is a river in Egypt.

noe Feb 1, 2024, 05:43 PM

Naladi Panor has the gall to call out Israel while at home her ANC cadres have allowed law and order to disappear. Women are getting raped children stand on street corners begging murder goes on unabated corruption thrives and infrastructure crumbles. Our people are jobless homeless. The world must wake up and take a long look at South African and all its communist and terrorist friends as this court case try's to take the focus off all our South African problems courtesy of the ruling party

marc36 Feb 1, 2024, 06:05 PM

The face of the Hamas PR machine

John P Feb 1, 2024, 09:00 PM

As opposed to the Netanyahu PR machine?

robertfraser0 Feb 1, 2024, 06:12 PM

Bob F - 1st February 2024 at 18:30 Does Naledi speak for the ANC or all of South Africa? When Putin started his war she had a lot to say against Putin but was immediately shut up by her ANC masters. Perhaps she will again be put in her place when Ramaphosa and his henchmen come to their senses.

ca2773 Feb 1, 2024, 06:24 PM

Test

Robinson.junior2 Feb 1, 2024, 06:30 PM

Why is south africa so interested about Isreal and Gaza war...but ignoring there domestic problems

John P Feb 1, 2024, 09:00 PM

A very good question

Ben Harper Feb 7, 2024, 05:56 AM

Money- Iran is paying them to do it, the anc needs money for their election campaign

David Katz Feb 1, 2024, 08:30 PM

First we grovelled for Russian support, then we kowtied for Chinese support, now we being captured by the Middle East. The minister is saying nothing about the court telling Hamas to free the hostages.

juanvince1 Feb 1, 2024, 08:31 PM

This is the pot calling the kettle black, she must look in the mirror to see who really is causing genocide and who ignored the courts when it suits them, she and her party are the last to open their mouths about killing, poverty, water, electricity, they must look inwards to their own country and keep their nose or of others business.

Christianhlippe Feb 1, 2024, 09:25 PM

Pandor, the same has the ANC has ignored the recommendations of the Commission of Inquiry into State Capture. Hypocrisy at its best.

Philip Machanick Feb 1, 2024, 09:46 PM

I see Ukraine did not do quite as well in their case. Here’s a deal. We give Ukraine South African lawyers and they send us engineers who can keep a power grid reliable in a war zone.

Ben Harper Feb 2, 2024, 06:15 AM

That'd be a good deal I reckon... for SA anyway, Ukraine not so much

Middle aged Mike Feb 2, 2024, 10:07 AM

Ukraine maintained a higher energy availability factor while their generation fleet was under direct attack by a major foreign military power than the deployees of the glorious liberation movement at ESKOM achieved at the same time. I'm sure there's a lesson in there somewhere.

alastairmgf Feb 2, 2024, 06:17 AM

The ANC doesn’t give a stuff for their own people at home. The poverty, lack of healthcare, eduction, jobs, etc. Why on earth are they so obsessed with what is going on on a God forsaken little patch of desert half way across the world? It boggles the mind. Oh wait a sec. Could it be a nice cash injection from a foreign power?

Brett Redelinghuys Feb 2, 2024, 07:32 AM

ANC doing its classic magic trick before elections... "Look at what we doing over there, so you don't see what is happening here..." Please take the Log out of your eye, before getting the splinter from their eye.

gregfboth Feb 2, 2024, 08:14 AM

how much was spent meddling in others affairs, could that money not be better utilised at home? anc has a beef with israel cos they traded with the 'evil' apartheid regime

alastairmgf Feb 2, 2024, 08:55 AM

BTW so did Iran. They sold oil to the old regime. ??. There’s hypocrisy for you. Oh wait they are Muslim so it’s OK.

human Feb 2, 2024, 09:47 AM

ANC are a disgusting, shameless, godless criminal syndicate. My concern is that so many fellow South Africans identify with them. When you have a history of necklacing your own people, presiding over a country with a woman violently raped every half a minute 24/7 for 30 years of ANC government... murder and lawlessness with minor consequence... then it's no shame and no problem to identify and support Hamas and the Palestinians at large. Same kind.

Kenneth FAKUDE Feb 3, 2024, 04:35 PM

You know humangl your comments can only be ignorance or heartless. What is happening in Palestine is the brutal war crimes driven by apartheid in modern times. I cannot be surprised if you only heard of Palestine after October 7, October 7 it was Hamas. Ask yourself if it was Hamas on October 7 why are 30000 Palestinians dead 70% women and children including premature babies? The ANC made a lot of sacrifices on injustices against black people, some of them resulting in mass poverty on black people. I am talking about the ANC not individuals working for the ANC. The majority of people voting for the ANC understand the organisations charter and what it stands. The same humanity towards Palestine is the one that they used during the transition from apartheid to democracy to avert a civil war. Naledi Pandor is the effective minister of foreign affairs and she is truthfully telling the former colonizers and apartheid sympathisers that the story needs to change, what can be wrong with that? ANC individuals have been engrossed in corruption and not performing in their duties. That is not what the ANC stands for. The EFF talks to the same issues neglected by those individuals making voters to be spoiled for choice. The DA talks left and moves right hence their reaction to the Russian invasion in Ukraine by going to a war zone to support Ukraine. Comes the military invasion in Palestine by Israel, their view changes, Israel the invader and occupier has a right to defend itself.

Ben Harper Feb 6, 2024, 08:01 AM

Inflating the numbers on your own I see

dov Feb 2, 2024, 09:53 AM

Pandor's comments neatly slots in with the new ANC maskarovka of " regime change " probably being organized by the FSB with Iranian funding. Hold onto your hats going into the election.

James Hamill Feb 2, 2024, 10:11 AM

Naledi Pandor 's input on this question might carry much greater weight had she, and the government she represents, spoken out strongly in favour of the same ICJ's ruling in March 2022 calling for an immediate end to Russia's illegal invasion of Ukraine. Instead, SA said nothing in support of this institution, and has continued to say nothing, as Russia bombs, rockets, occupies and annexes in defiance of the ICJ.

Confucious Says Feb 2, 2024, 11:38 AM

Is this the same anc that wanted to leave the ICC because it was a "Western" court? The same anc that didn't execute the ICC arrest warrant for Albashir and Putin? Now its all about following ICC rules and regulations... How blatantly hypocritical!!!

Pet Bug Feb 2, 2024, 07:46 PM

Yip, same lot. Hysterical, if it wasn’t so idiotic.

William Dryden Feb 2, 2024, 12:09 PM

Pandor should keep her mouth shut and get off the fence, she parties up to just about every despot country and even visited Hamas in Palestine. She should be charged with treason for he stupid remarks.

Bazil Birch Feb 2, 2024, 01:30 PM

"She said she hadn’t checked with the ANC on whether Iran was providing it with finance," ??? A foreign minister, high up in the ANC in the know?

Exist Nomad Feb 2, 2024, 05:24 PM

South Africa was correct in bringing up this case, their justification is sound, regardless of motivation. A good act is not diminished by the questionability of its motivations, A.C Greyling dealt with this issue in his philosophical works. Now that the court has ruled, the country should sit back, refocus on domestic issues and understand something that has been clear for a while. Nobody cares. Gaza will burn and Israel will continue its existence. The seat of the world's power is caucasian and only issues that affect caucasian nations matter to the world. And while non-caucasian nations self consume and extend begging bowls to the caucasian global north, nothing will change.

John P Feb 2, 2024, 07:17 PM

Cynical but true, over 400 comments to this story and hardly an ounce of agreement anywhere

Pet Bug Feb 2, 2024, 07:43 PM

Calm down everyone: In a few short months this person Pandor will have to be put out to pasture. Retire with the ministerial comforts she so deserves, not. What a blight on our politic.

Kenneth FAKUDE Feb 3, 2024, 08:32 AM

Pet you are so wrong it can be someone else either from the ANC or EFF the effects will be the same. I mention these 2 parties because even if they don't win outrightly they still resonate with the poor populations who don't live in western cape or Sandton. A lot of complain about Pandor neglecting domestic issues, perhaps it's good because a lot of people saying that are not aware that real domestic issues are around land and economic gap between certain ethnic group based on previous previlleges offered to certain groups and denied to others. Believe me when those issues start to be dealt with there will be parties running to the same institutions and crying genocide against them. Pity the rate in which modern Europe decides who these institutions must prosecute and who they must not is rendering them useless. Europe colonized countries led by people of colour and took their resources, they continued to date to financially colonize those countries South Africa not an exception. With BRICS becoming a reality the west and Europe will reck havoc, by trying to weaken and dismantle BRICS. We all stand to benefit from BRICS but Europe will loose. We need to unite and create a better life for all. No party is immune to corruption that is why it is fruitless to judge the ANC on corruption and ignore what they are doing on human rights and exposing the western hypocrites endangering the whole world.

Rod MacLeod Feb 3, 2024, 12:47 PM

Nothing is more hypocritical than a pro-Palestinian wannabe. Especially if you're black. And as a black person, know that the Arab word for a black is abu - which means slave. Also, you should know that Arabs generally regard blacks as the lowest form of life. Who put a stop to the Arab slave trading of blacks in the late 19th century? Those horrible Western Colonials, that's who. The same people who brought roads, telecoms, electricity, fuel from coal, dams and railways to you so that you could destroy them, the same people who showed you governance, registration of births and deaths, an economy that was the biggest and strongest in Africa, the lap-top that you write your comments on, the education that enables you to write - so much, yet all you can do is bitch and gripe in your incompetence and inability to build on what you've been given. Pathetic bunch of moaners.

Feb 3, 2024, 03:52 PM

Unfortunately, stating facts does not bring people with indoctrinated anti-Western enemy images to their understanding; on the contrary, you will be accused of not wanting to get rid of your acquired colonial prejudices or even accused of racism. Some will say: "What do we need the infrastructure and the things that we didn't have during apartheid either?"

Kenneth FAKUDE Feb 3, 2024, 10:41 PM

True facts don't involve insults my little education taught me that, seemingly your superior education forgot to teach you morals. I can teach you for free.

Ben Harper Feb 4, 2024, 11:21 AM

They're not insults, just plain good old facts

Feb 4, 2024, 12:33 PM

Dear Kenneth Fakude. Even if you feel personally attacked or insulted, you should consider true facts without bias, for your own benefit, this is the only way to move forward. The way you dish out in your comments, you have to be able to withstand some reactions without immediately retreating into a victim's shell or responding with insults again. With your simple polarization between the evil "West" and the good "Global South" you insult millions of people in the "Western" states who are convinced of their democratic standards and who regularly elect governments/parties that they expect Attacks on these standards from within and outside must be repelled. Many of these people, who live on the poverty line by Western standards, are very concerned about the poor people in the "Global South" and regularly donate to international aid organizations, knowing full well that a significant portion ends up in the pockets of corrupt politicians there and not those of them need it. You may now counter me by saying that I am repeating the propaganda of "Western" media, but believe me, I know from my own experience that such an assumption would correspond exactly to the mantra of left-wing extremist protagonists in the "West" who themselves have nothing to do with democratic standards. However, I see you, dear Kenneth Fakude, on a remarkable path because, despite all your dismay, you do not contradict the facts stated by Rod H MacLeod. I wish you a nice rest of the weekend.

joules-airbase-0b Feb 3, 2024, 10:34 PM

Pandor is clearly ignoring her diet. Perhaps they can get a court order for that !

Kenneth FAKUDE Feb 4, 2024, 10:00 AM

It would be funny if people were not dying. Attacking the person not the facts takes you out of the game.

valerie.scofield Feb 4, 2024, 12:32 PM

Isn't genocide also being committed in Russia, and on a huge scale? She is saying nothing about that! With war, woman and children are bound to be killed, just the same as in Englands 2nd world war, and Russia's war on the Ukraine, killing thousands of men, women and children. Ukrainians have had their country blasted to pieces. The difference is, Palestinians put a lot of their military structures in civilian areas, so more civilians are being killed.

lyster.w Feb 4, 2024, 01:13 PM

Russia invades innocent Ukraine in the quest for more power and control in that region. The uber hypocrisy of the ANC government's silence is deafening.

Kenneth FAKUDE Feb 4, 2024, 05:29 PM

If you can follow through all American allied relationships end in disaster. I was against the invasion of Ukraine from day one. America and Europe pulled Ukraine to take a stance relying on European allies. Then they were given weapons to do and not do certain things to prevent escalation, those were not the requirements of the Frontline. I wish all the occupied nations freedom from these draconian acts of greed by superpowers some posing as allies.

John P Feb 4, 2024, 06:20 PM

The pro Netanyahu commentators are still thrashing away at this story and we are approaching 500 comments. However nothing to speak of regarding this DM report "Biden imposes sanctions on Israeli settlers accused of West Bank violence" Perhaps not such an easy target?

Arno Stijlen Feb 4, 2024, 08:14 PM

Hogwash! Scoring points for the forthcoming elections. I mean ....... everything in SA is done by the book and in terms of the international law ,,,,, not so?

Matthew Webb Feb 5, 2024, 07:22 AM

There is nothing the ICJ can do. When Hamas escalated by doing what they did, Israel has to wipe them out, this is not more than a question of Israels survival. Hamas only did what they did to rally Islamic fundamentalism to their cause. If Israel capitulates, they signal their weakness to the rest of the fanatics that wish them to be destroyed. This is now a show of strength, ANC is trying to capitalize at gaining the Muslim votes in SA by making them think they can make a difference. Ony the Dead have seen the end of war!!!! "Plato"

Keith.tudho Feb 5, 2024, 05:29 PM

The main issue is that South Africa is blatantly ignoring the ICJ ruling to release all Israeli hostages

Kevin Venter Feb 6, 2024, 11:12 AM

The age old tactic of...diverting attention from the colossal failing that is South Africa at the hands of absolute buffoons. Look in the mirror and out your window Nalendi Pandor and be more concerned about what you see there, rather than what Israel is seeming not doing.

Ntsime Mahloko Feb 7, 2024, 04:05 AM

Its fortunately USA support Israel for wrong reasons.