What Israel is likely to say in its defence at the International Court of Justice

Pity South Africa are not so enthusiastic in making the same case against China in their actions to erase the Uyghurs from the planet or putins stated aim to delete Ukraine by denizifying them.

Hamas officials said that they intend to make repeated attacks as on October 7. The only rational response from Israel is to destroy Hamas.

".. retired Israeli Supreme Court president, and Holocaust survivor" They always have to bring the Jewish Holocaust into it, don't they? And with a Zionist US president we know where their bias lies, don't we, so they should rather STFU about other countries bias!

We’re acting a bit like a silly warthog. Imagine a pride of lion stalking a herd of buffalo. Warthog decides this is the time for it to run around kicking up dust and squealing. We should get back in our lane. It’s not as if we do not have enormous risks and problems right here. Glass houses and stones comes to mind. That said, the Israeli government will have a hard time saying they are trying to avoid innocents. We know the IDF has more skill than what is on display. The NYT article of this week describes IDF soldiers leaving graffiti in destroyed buildings : not the kind of graffiti that apologises btw. This war suits a beleaguered coalition government.

Go South Africa ?? Well done for standing up against the US and Israel… formidable foes indeed! But at least we’re trying SOMETHING to stop the endless bloodshed.

It would be a good idea to also ban countries from selling arms to Hamas!

One thing is certain: the immoral pimps who have prostituted our country to the highest bidder while enriching themselves, don’t speak on my behalf, nor the millions of South Africans who are embarrassed by this whole saga. There’s nothing wrong with the message that peace and humanity must prevail. The problem is the cynical and hypocritical messenger.

"Some Israeli government statements suggest it will also try to discredit South Africa as lacking the moral standing to bring a humanitarian case at an international court". Yes. There is the old saying "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones" , and also the legal doctrine whereby the accuse must go to court with "clean hands".

Good luck to Israel. I hope their representatives give ours a snot klap. Talk about being on the wrong side of history.

20k deaths is a massive no. Imagine lying them end to end how far that would reach. Imagine the little ones too, so many children dead. The sadness of war and its long term effects are generationally devastating. Most wars result from the memory of the last one. It must be borne in mind though that indiscriminate bombing in such a crowded space would result in multiples of 20k. Without any warnings the number would be multiples too. Israel's existence is threatened by Hamas as is the population of Gaza. Most Gazan citizens resent Hamas but cannot democratically object. They would prefer peace. Hamas has agendas not in the interests of their people. The ANC is blinded by their Apartheid history and their oppressor and oppressed view of humanity, grey areas don't exist. SA is also a willing pawn to stronger, bigger nations. I feel SA/ANC are trying to discredit the ICJ/ICC when they say "Not Guilty" of Genocide which has a very specific definition. Imagine Israel intended to do to Gaza what Hamas plans to do to Israel. Any verdict other than not guilty would be hard to swallow. Once Israel is "convicted" it may as well show the world what Genocide actually looks like...that would be catastrophic.

The US are complicit . They have the power to force Israel into serious peace negotiations with the Palestinians. Instead they keep supplying Israel with arms & turn a blind eye to the continued development of Israeli settlements on the West Bank.

I'm not sure that this won't in the end just be a political vote by the 17 judges, regardless of the merit of the case. SA needs to get 9 of the 17 votes on the court. I don't see it happening. The judges from USA, Russia, China, India, Japan, Germany, Australia, Uganda and Israel will vote against South Africa. France and Slovenia could go either way. Jamaica will probably be a yes vote but a no wouldn't surprise anyone. South Africa simply doesn't have the votes and it's naive to think the judges can be swayed with passionate argument. And even if South Africa wins and gets an order that Israel must cease all genocidal acts, Israel will simply carry on doing exactly as it's doing and claim it is not doing anything genocidal and is complying with the order.

How many Israelis dead vs Palestinians?

This is a personal feeling and not an evidenced statement. But it feels likely! Our politicians are so beholden to Russia and China for their undoubted donations to the ANC (via the couch?) that the Russian party-line must be followed. South Africa has not got clean hands to approach any international court. See the Zondo report on the mafia organization that is the ANC and ANC cadres are raping Eskom to the tune of R1billion a month. I have a suspician that Putin talked quietly to Iran's Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei suggesting that some problems for Israel would be very benificial for Russia and it would be "very grateful". Hamas is known to be supported by Iran and Iran's "suggestions" fell on willing ears. The attack on Oct.7 was the result. The West's attention switched immediately away and the pressure on Russia in Ukraine was reduced. Putin is very good at international politics. Ukraine is fighting for their lives and is very dependent on the West's goodwill which is wavering. Might is winning again...

Thank you, I was curious as to what strategy Israel would most likely follow tomorrow. Hopefully they can bring facts to the table and leave the incessant name calling at the door. Letting al-Bashir get away may now come back and haunt the SA government. Not a pleasant thought.

The outcome of this case is a forgone conclusion but what my question is : How can the ANC dish up a 84 page document in record time ,but is can't produce answers to the numerus questions that is thrown at them in parliament

It’s worth reading the South African submission. The most damning evidence is the words of Israeli leaders. A few examples. Israeli Minister of Agriculture: On 11 November 2023, Avi Dichter in a television interview recalled the Nakba of 1948, in which over 80 percent of the Palestinian population of the new Israeli State was forced from or fled their homes, stating that “[w]e are now actually rolling out the Gaza Nakba” Israeli Minister of Energy and Infrastructure: ‘Tweeting’ on 13 October 2023, Israel Katz stated: “All the civilian population in Gaza is ordered to leave immediately. We will win. They will not receive a drop of water or a single battery until they leave the world.” A lot more where that came from.

Neither Gaza nor, more generally, Palestine has the right to appear before the ICJ. They are not UN members. So a third party would have to act against Israel. Ukraine is a full UN member, can bring cases against Russia to the ICJ, and has.

There are "Free Palestine" banners at mosques, free Palestine car stickers and Palestine flags flying around Cape Town. This court case is a (morally) cheap bid for the Muslim vote as well as the "woke" vote in the upcoming election. Do you think they suddenly developed a moral compass? They more likely are trying to whitewash their blood soaked past - after all its now "woke" to fight for the underdog. The ANC no more cares for people in Ukraine (remember that shameful mess of a peace mission?) or for Palestinian women and children than it cared for the South Africans that were necklaced in pursuit of their goals - never mind all the murders of Inkata functionaries leading up to 1994 and blamed on a Third Force. There is no moral compass here, just desperation, or some PRO consultant-inspired political opportunism. Remember the millions spent by the EFF for Bell Pottinger to come up with "white monopoly capital"? Only solution - vote the oxygen thieves out of office.

Is SA paying for this? Why has Iran, or another state that supports (or not), Hamas, not instituted proceedings? Egypt, Saudi, Yemen, Lebanon, Qata, etc. Why are we 'neutral' about Ukraine, but first in the queue to go the legal route on this one? How are we doing in Sudan?

The South African government has but one motive for taking Israel to the ICJ and that is to distract the public from its failures in an election year. Its arguments apply to all the other perpetrators of mass killings from Syria, Sudan, Rwanda, Russia, Myanmar, Serbia, etc. to an even greater extent than Israel, where the perpetrators were not at risk for their survival and the South African government remained silent or supported the perpetrators. Whether these facts will move the court is doubtful but no nation has ever fought a similar war against an admitted genocidal threat who can offer advice on how to do it more humanely, given how Hamas is deliberately interwoven into the civilian population who have openly declared they would rather stay in Gaza than move into a safe area in Egypt's Sinai, even temporarily, (death preferred to "Nakba" which was not threatened) while Egypt itself blocked the border to them.

At what point does Hamas get condemned and similarly sanctioned against launching further attacks on Israel? One cannot stop one side in a war.

And Palestinians are killed by the hundreds daily, no stance matters!

Smart lawyers for Israel ,asked at the last minute for an hour extension to oral arguments . So SA who had to trim their argument to one hour . only get tonight to rework their presentation which leaves them with a disadvantage going in. So could say first points to Israel before even start of case.

If my three kids were murdered at a music concert by a neighbouring state or taken hostage I would definitely take action

South Africa has to get her own house in order before trying to solve other countries problems.

Well done to our government! The ANC that is usually corrupt is again on the right side of history. Apartheid Israel needs to be brought to justice for their genocidal actions. 25 000+ people have been killed, 2 thirds are women and children. It's sickening to think a "democracy" can enact such violence on an innocent population. This is without mentioning the Apartheid and Lebensraum tactics they have used to subjugate the Palestinian people.

Do Israeli's understand the ramifications of this charge? The case is today and you have MK Nissim Vaturi statement on the Palestinians remaining in north Gaza " 100 000 remain .I have no mercy for those who are still there . We need to eliminate them " . Is this the true face of Israeli Jews we are seeing for the first time in 75 years , because a high portion of them are of the same opinion. Is this the fascist culture that diaspora Jews funded and supported .

I remain dumbfounded and in utter shock when i hear that Israel claims they have not committed any genocide against the Palestinians.....this world is totally upside down and controlled by the enemy the devil as the bible says. Even the most foolish person will see this and know that honestly there is genocide no need to ask. Unless the definition of genocide has different connotations goverened by different conundrums and provisions

Tomorrow is a big day for Israel. The Jews will respond succinctly. The allegation of genocide is spurious at best. All Civilized democratic countries should experience the precisely same attack on its citizens as the Israeli Jews experienced on Oct7. I would like to see how any other civilized democratic sovereign country would respond to the barbaric 7th century Islamist onslaught suffered by Jewish Israelis on Oct7. Either way, Israel will carry on its fight against the genocidal Islamist terror block that it has faced since 1948. Am Yisrael Chai

Just checking: Putin de-nazifying Ukraine, killing women/children/rape/torture is ok. Hamas killing/torturing/raping/murdering babies etc, is ok? Despite signing on to detain Al Bashiri and not doing so , ok? Necklacing thousands of your own race/citizens ok? Looting , thieving, robbing your own country blind- ok? Thinking that you are a "player" on the world stage ok? GBV highest in the world-ok? Youth unemployment highest in the world- ok? Corruption rampant- that must be ok too. Thieving Parliamentarians, civil unrest, lack of service delivery. Glass houses and stones spring to mind. Not quite sure who the hell these SA "dignitaries" think they are on the world stage? South Africa handed on a plate to ignoramuses' Despair is not the word.

Only he who is perfect can cast the first stone, which disqualifies all. Only love brothers and sisters is the solution. Goodluck with that , in this day and age. Call me a dreamer , but I'm not the only one. John Lennon. ?