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Hamas leaders' presence in SA for a Palestine solidarity convention stirs controversy

The ANC plans to meet a delegation of Hamas leaders visiting South Africa, but the SA Jewish Board of Deputies says it is ‘disgusted’ by their presence.
Hamas leaders' presence in SA for a Palestine solidarity convention stirs controversy Minister in the Presidency Khumbudzo Ntshavheni (Photo: EPA / Yahya Arhab | Waldo Swiegers / Bloomberg via Getty Images | Rawpixel)

The visit to South Africa of a senior delegation of Hamas – the Islamic Resistance Movement – now engaged in a bitter war with Israel, has sparked controversy.

The SA Jewish Board of Deputies has condemned the visit by members of the organisation that launched an attack on Israel on 7 October, killing about 1,200 people, mostly civilians, and taking scores of people hostage.

Israel retaliated with a relentless bombardment of the Hamas stronghold of Gaza, which has killed at least 13,000 people, also mostly civilians and many of them children.

The ANC has said it would meet the Hamas leaders.

Minister in the Presidency Khumbudzo Ntshavheni said the government had no plans to meet them – but did not rule out the possibility.

Asked if the government would meet the Hamas leaders, Dirco’s Clayson Monyela said, “Absolutely not. No meetings with Hamas… at least not with Dirco.”

According to a press release, “Hamas politburo member Bassem Naim; Hamas representative in Iran Khaled Qaddoumi; and Hamas international relations director for East, Central and Southern Africa Emad Saber had arrived in South Africa to participate in the Fifth Global Convention of Solidarity with Palestine.” 

While here, the delegation would meet representatives of political parties, civil society groups and the Palestine solidarity movement “to provide updates about Israel’s onslaught on Gaza, and to hear South African views on the global solidarity movement and the Palestinian anti-colonial struggle in general”.

The statement added that the Fifth Global Convention of Solidarity with Palestine was jointly organised by the Global Campaign to Return to Palestine and the Royal House of Mandela and would commemorate the 10th anniversary of the Global Campaign’s launch and the death of Nelson Mandela.

“The conference theme is, ‘Nelson Mandela and Palestine: Confronting Racism till Liberation’.”

Read more in Daily Maverick: Israel-Palestine War

Obed Bapela, deputy chair of the ANC national executive committee’s subcommittee on international relations, told Daily Maverick the sub-committee had decided in principle to meet the Hamas leaders.

“It is an advantage for us to meet with parties and organisations.”

The discussions would also revolve around sanctions on Israel.

“We have long said… that we need to talk to the leaders of the PLO and leaders of Hamas and any organisation that is a voice for the Palestinian question, so we can get their understanding.”

The ultimate aim would be to find a solution to the ongoing conflict in the Middle East.

“We want to see whether the two-state solution is still something that everyone has a buy-in on and we are not backtracking from it,” he said.

Hamas’ answer to that question is already well known – it has made it abundantly clear that it does not support a two-state solution.

Hamas' 1988 founding charter calls for the destruction of Israel. In a political document in 2018, the group said it would accept the establishment of a Palestinian state along the 1967 borders, although it still did not recognise Israel as a state or accept the two-state solution proposed in the Oslo Accords.

On the other hand, Hamas’ rival, the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO) which runs the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank, supports separate states of Israel and Palestine.

While explaining that her government had no plans to meet the Hamas representatives, Ntshavheni also said there was no evidence anyone from Hamas was even in SA. She also slammed the notion that Hamas was a terrorist organisation – which Israel, the US and many other Western countries deem it to be.

“I do not recall the UN classification of Hamas as terrorists, and we don't know of a Hamas office in South Africa. So I can’t say that there is or there isn’t any Hamas in South Africa. We don’t have that type of evidence.

“We are not in the business of tracking anyone. I don’t know how the government must account for people who are coming to attend private conferences in the country. If they meet with the government, we will announce, but we have no schedule of meeting with them.”

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Meanwhile, the SA Jewish Board of Deputies (SAJBD) said it was “disgusted by the presence of Hamas on our soil”.

“Rape is not resistance. Nor is taking hostages an act of social justice.  Hamas is not a freedom-fighting organisation,” SAJBD national chairperson Karen Milner said in a statement.

“Rather, it is one dedicated to the violent destruction of Israel and which portrays Jews as being an intrinsically evil people who must be hunted down and killed wherever they might be. It says so in its Charter, and its heinous attack on Israeli civilians on 7 October bears this out.

“Hamas proudly affirms its intention of perpetrating more massacres against the Jewish state. One of its political bureau members, Ghazi Hamad, confirmed that in a television interview on 24 October, when he declared that Hamas would carry out further such attacks ‘again and again’ until Israel was completely destroyed.”

Milner said one of the visiting delegation, Khaled Qaddoumi, had “lied on SABC TV when he denied that Hamas was holding children hostage”.

“Currently, 161 Israelis and other nationalities’ civilians, including children, are still being held as hostages in Gaza,” Milner said.

Several hostages have been released over the past week, in exchange for Israel releasing Palestinian prisoners and detainees.

“The SAJBD is saddened by all loss of innocent lives in this conflict,” Milner said.

“We call on our government to demand from Hamas the unconditional release of all the hostages.” DM

Comments

David van der Want Dec 2, 2023, 07:57 AM

It is not legitimate to host these violent terrorists while simultaneously voting to expel the Israeli diplomat. If our claim is that we are attempting to find some inclusive path to peace then we must include all parties. Our condemnation of Israel's assault on Gaza puts us on the right side of history, hosting Hamas leadership puts us back on the wrong side.

Kenneth FAKUDE Dec 2, 2023, 10:23 AM

Unfortunately Dave we cannot wish Hamas away, if you know the exact things Israel has been doing there its not only not different from what Hamas did on october 7 its worse, one nation is subjected a law where they are sentenced without trial based on their race sometimes for life which is 99 years sometimes because they look like someone who threw a rock at the security forces, although i must admit they do throw those stone like bullets but it cannot be fair, a lot of commentors here only see the october 7 unacceptable brutal killings but believe me if you see what Israel is doing there which might end with 75000 or more innocent Palestinians killed in Gaza[ believe we are witnessing it] add that to what has been happening before over 300000 40% is women and children, you will be forgiven like all of us in sympathising with the Palestine cause, the PLO has been powerless although they had the political mandate without any serious millitary force against a stubborn and well supported occupier, then Hamas stepped in with tunnel tactics which has not deterred the occupier but it has successfully brought the topic to the table which is why we are talking about it now, Israel knows they will never finish Hamas but it gives them comfort to bomb the poor Palestinians not to submission because only people who are alive will submit but to near extinction so they have less land to give back, its very important to put a forecast on what is the game plan here and put out our voices that we see what is the plan which the west knows too well, south africa has been blessed but if we support what we fought against we run the risk of being seen as condoners and this is Gods world who say it cannot visit us in one form or another, the unequality in this country can easily tip the scales lets be very careful and honest about Israel,Hamas and the Palestinians and the Genocide unfolding there and always remember that God is watching us, the west in the form of Britain,some Europe nations and America will never know peace because of the blood their weapons are spilling in the state of Palestine they are forcing us to recognise as the state of Israel, having said that the Hamas attack was unfair to the innocent Jews[not in racist terms] caught in this madness

Martin Engelbrecht Dec 2, 2023, 08:43 PM

The main point is Hamas doesn't recognize Israel's right to exist. Strangely the son of Hamas is vehement opposed to Hamas and has absolutely nothing good to say about the organization.

Kenneth FAKUDE Dec 3, 2023, 01:27 PM

Do you mean the son of the leader of Hamas who is being used by Israel in their propaganda, why do they oppress all the Palestinians and give him platforms he says what they want him to say, do you think the 15000 dead now we're crazy civillians

Nas Hodja Dec 2, 2023, 09:11 PM

We have to keep in mind that Israel is the bigger practitioner of terror between these two parties. This is for their on-going brutal and violent subjugation of the Palestinian people in the occupied territories. Daily. Gratuitous violence against the Palestinian people in order to subjugate them is the official policy. Read the confessions by IDF soldiers if you do not believe this. Search for 'IDF Breaking the Silence'. Both the IRA and the ANC were deemed terrorist organisations, but in the end it was necessary to sit down and talk to them.

gar.rafael.davi Dec 3, 2023, 04:09 AM

For the UK, US, EU etc. Hamas are a proscribed terrorist organisation, and rightly so. South African nationals in Israel were murdered on October 7 and taken hostage by Hamas. I am in complete agreement with the SAJBD. The presence of a Hamas delegation on South African soil is a disgrace.

Jeff Robinson Dec 3, 2023, 07:37 AM

While I detest Hamas for what happened in October, I agree with them that a two-state solution is unacceptable. The old apartheid regime wanted the world to accept an eleven state solution for South Africa and, rightly so, the world scoffed at this, acknowledging that it was just a ploy to keep power in the hands of whites. Religion, like race, should not - indeed MUST not - be a basis for statehood (true for the various Islamic republics as it is for Israel). Whites in South Africa had to accept minority status and just get on with it. Such must be the case for Jews in a new unified Palestine. And as with South Africa, the USA and other democracies, there must be no state religion. Indeed, how wonderful if people could finally get hip to the absurdity of embracing the beliefs of bronze age nomads, yet here we have children of Abraham killing children of Abraham. Christopher Hitchens was right, "Religion poisons everything". One cannot prove the non-existence of God (or anything for that matter), but we can be sure of the non-existence of Abraham's god, who the Old Testament reveals as a genocidal, mysoginistic, megalomanical, and racist god of war.

Peter Dexter Dec 3, 2023, 11:23 AM

Unfortunately we all know that is an unworkable solution as well. As far as I am aware none of the Islamic states accept Jews as equal citizens. As soon as the “One Palestine” is created all Jews would become stateless.

Jeff Robinson Dec 3, 2023, 03:51 PM

I don't recall that white South Africans became stateless following the fall of apartheid. What is required is a constitutional separation of state and religion. Religious belief can be respected (though I find this difficult in this day and age), but it cannot be allowed to dictate policies around who gets what.

marc36 Dec 4, 2023, 02:16 PM

Jeff the G-d you don't believe in, I don't believe in either. You'd be hard-pressed to find any of the world's 16 million Jews who do. As for a non-religious, secular, kumbaya solution. There are around 8 billion human beings in the world today, of which there are approximately 2.4 billion adherents to Christianity (31.6%), 1.8 billion Muslims (24.1%) and around 16 million Jews (0.2%). There are 103 Christian nations, 56 Muslim ones and only one Jewish state, Israel, which constitutes 0.025% of the land mass of the Middle East, and is the only one (religious, secular or otherwise) who's right to exist is constantly challenged.

Ubersteinharo Dec 3, 2023, 09:14 AM

Why dont south africa concentrate on its own people and problems. Instead we befriend all terrorist movements and countries that really are not even spoken about. By hamas being invited to south africa is disgusting and will just cause more trouble. Should this happen, we will be sanctioned by countries.

Kenneth FAKUDE Dec 3, 2023, 01:23 PM

If other countries looked at their own problems and didn't help us we wouldn't have our freedom today no nation succeeds in isolation

bucs bucs Dec 3, 2023, 11:07 AM

As a newbie to the Palestinian issue; does Hamas represent the Palestinians?

Kenneth FAKUDE Dec 3, 2023, 01:19 PM

I believe that did win some elections and they were not recognised by Israel and the west, they recognise the PA who they treat as some puppet government but they do give them some budget at some point Hamas was also receiving money, not sure for what bottom line the Palestinians are under occupation there can not be any meaningful representation, you can also have your own group there and claim something against anything as long as you don't bother the occupier

marc36 Dec 4, 2023, 03:31 PM

Bucs, with due respect to Kenneth, he is a prolific anti-Israel commentator on DM with an entrenched opinion, no more than that. Therefore, aside from his prejudices, he is far from the "Wikipedia" of this subject, and his answer to your question needs your own verification. Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005 completely to allow Palestinians self-determination, and Hamas won the Palestinian legislative elections in January 2006. As of last week, Gallup polls indicated that over 75% of Palestinian civilians in both Gaza, and the West Bank, supported Hamas' actions of 7 Oct and, indeed, broadly support Hamas. Whether this is out of conviction, or fear - you'd need to ask them (and maybe Kenneth).

Bill Gild Dec 5, 2023, 11:59 AM

Hamas is a terrorist organization. Period. It has been designated as such by the US, Canada, the EU, New Zealand, Australia, and the UK. The ANC would do well to be aware of its bedfellows, especially when the begging bowls come out.

mark77 Dec 8, 2023, 07:45 PM

It's interesting to note that Hamas only has official representation in four 'countries'; Gaza, where they wrenched control from the Palestinian Authority, Qatar, where their administrators live, Iran, who are their sponsors, and South Africa. Other countries may sympathise with Hamas, but don't offer them any form of consular representation. The ANC is clearly on the wrong side of international political affiliations.

Kevin Schaafsma Jan 13, 2024, 09:45 AM

Quite astonishing how our government is prepared to let Hamas leadership into the country after the October 7 attacks it perpetrated on a fellow United Nations member State. And yet wouldn't let the Dalai Lama into South Africa for Desmond Tutu's birthday party.