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title: "‘You cannot remain neutral’ — Russian ambassador tells ANC Russian-Ukraine dialogue delegates"
description: "The Russian ambassador to South Africa, Ilya Igorevich Rogachev, has sent out a clear message about South Africa’s non-aligned stance on Russia’s war in Ukraine."
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# ‘You cannot remain neutral’ — Russian ambassador tells ANC Russian-Ukraine dialogue delegates

> The Russian ambassador to South Africa, Ilya Igorevich Rogachev, has sent out a clear message about South Africa’s non-aligned stance on Russia’s war in Ukraine.

By Queenin Masuabi · Published 29 June 2023, 01:07 SAST · Updated 11 August 2023, 19:19 SAST

## Key points
- Daily Maverick reports: South Africa's neutrality in the Russia-Ukraine conflict is being tested as ambassadors from both sides push to sway Pretoria's stance, while the US has accused South Africa of providing weapons to Russia.
- Russia has urged South Africa to take its side in the conflict with Ukraine
- South Africa has maintained a stance of neutrality, which is perceived by the West as being pro-Russia
- Norway has provided military and humanitarian aid to Ukraine to protect its sovereignty and democracy
- The US has accused South Africa of providing weapons to Russia and criticised ANC policy documents on the war

## Content

After months of Russia stating that it would not force any nations to support it in its decision to invade Ukraine, the Russian ambassador to South Africa, [Ilya Igorevich Rogachev](https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2023-05-02-russian-ambassador-says-he-has-no-indication-putin-will-not-visit-sa/), has changed that tune by saying that there is “no place for neutrality in the modern world”.

Rogachev was speaking at Wednesday’s ANC Russian-Ukraine dialogue with diplomats in Johannesburg. The ambassadors of Ukraine and China were among those invited but were unable to attend.

Rogachev repeated the Russian mantra that Russia’s invasion of Ukraine was a means of defence to ensure that Nato does not continue its advancement in Europe.

“You cannot remain neutral, you will be punished by secondary sanctions … this is the logic they \[the West\] will not allow. \[You cannot\] remain distant and neutral,” Rogachev said.

**Read more in Daily Maverick:**[I bet Putin won’t risk visiting South Africa because our democracy is just too unpredictable](https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/opinionista/2023-05-07-i-bet-putin-wont-risk-visiting-south-africa-because-our-democracy-is-just-too-unpredictable/)

![The chairperson of the ANC’s International Relations subcommittee, Lindiwe Zulu. (Photo: OJ Koloti / Gallo Images) | Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov. (Photo: Andressa Anholete / Bloomberg via Getty Images)](https://cdn.dailymaverick.co.za/i/0iCgRY7sUyy3ktZgV9NaAk8xsUc=/200x100/smart/filters:strip_exif\(\)/file/dailymaverick/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/queenin-anc-dialogue-cropped.jpg)

*The former chairperson of the ANC’s International Relations subcommittee, Lindiwe Zulu. (Photo: OJ Koloti / Gallo Images) | Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov. (Photo: Andressa Anholete / Bloomberg via Getty Images)*

Responding, the former chairperson of the ANC’s International Relations subcommittee, Lindiwe Zulu, explained that South Africa cannot adopt a concept that has not been endorsed by the governing party.

South Africa’s head of diplomacy, Clayson Monyela, said that South Africa’s stance cannot be defined as neutrality. He said Pretoria’s stance would be vindicated because in any conflict the most powerful position is the call for peace. He gave assurances that South Africa would not face any sanctions.

“If we had taken a side it would’ve been difficult to convince the two capitals \[of Ukraine and Russia\] to accept us \[the African Peace Mission\] ... Non-alignment should never be confused with neutrality … we made a very deliberate decision based on our history,” he explained.

> WATCH| The [#ANC](https://twitter.com/hashtag/ANC?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) is this afternoon hosting a Ukraine- Russia Dialogue. [pic.twitter.com/QWf8wMeT18](https://t.co/QWf8wMeT18)
>
> — Queenin Masuabi (@Queenin\_M) [June 28, 2023](https://twitter.com/Queenin_M/status/1674053915006889985?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)

Norway’s ambassador to South Africa, [Gjermund Saether](https://twitter.com/norambsa?lang=en), used the opportunity to back Ukraine.

He said Norway would continue providing humanitarian and military aid to Ukraine in the name of ensuring its sovereignty and empowering democracy.

“The problem for Russia is not really Nato, but the problem is democracy. They don’t have democracy because they do not allow for it. They also want to prevent other countries in the neighbourhood from democracy.”

In 2022, Norway provided support valued at around 10.7 billion kroner (R18.55-billion) to Ukraine and other countries affected by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

Norway and Denmark have agreed to [donate an additional 9,000 rounds](https://www.regjeringen.no/en/aktuelt/noreg-og-danmark-samarbeider-om-ny-donasjon-til-ukraina/id2983852/) of artillery ammunition to Ukraine, while e[quipment amounting to £92-million](https://www.gov.uk/government/news/major-air-defence-package-for-ukraine-announced-at-meeting-of-joint-expeditionary-force-ministers) will be procured through the International Fund for Ukraine to bolster Ukraine’s ability to protect its critical national infrastructure, civilian population, and frontline personnel.

Norway contributes instructors to the basic training of Ukrainian soldiers through Operation Interflex in the United Kingdom, an effort which started in 2022.

> Very grateful for the invitation to attend the [#ANCdialogueseries](https://twitter.com/hashtag/ANCdialogueseries?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) on Russia-Ukraine conflict. 🇳🇴 supports self determination and democracy for Ukraine, just as we supported [@MYANC](https://twitter.com/MYANC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) from the 1960s. Russia started the war, they can end it tomorrow. The UN charter must be upheld. [pic.twitter.com/vNbt4aMyRq](https://t.co/vNbt4aMyRq)
>
> — Gjermund Saether (@NorAmbSA) [June 28, 2023](https://twitter.com/NorAmbSA/status/1674123209350828038?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)

While Pretoria maintains it is non-aligned in the conflict, it is perceived by the West as being pro-Russia, which has [compromised](https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2023-06-13-warning-shot-fired-top-us-congressmen-urge-biden-to-move-agoa-forum-away-from-sa/) South Africa’s standing with the US.

This idea has been exacerbated by allegations made by the US ambassador to South Africa, Reuben Brigety, that South Africa provided weapons to Russia. He also bemoaned the contents of ANC policy documents on the Russia-Ukraine war. He said the document portrayed the US in a negative light.

The ANC resolution notes that the US appears to be implementing the Wolfowitz Doctrine, named after a former US deputy Secretary of State who felt the US should not allow any country in the world to have the possibility, in the post-Cold War period, to challenge its interests, especially its hegemony. **DM**