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Which minister told former Eskom boss André de Ruyter, ‘you have to enable some people to eat a little bit’?

Eskom's former CEO, André de Ruyter, recently revealed in a interview with eNCA’s Annika Larsen that two Cabinet ministers had told him to expect some shrinkage of the $8.5-billion Just Energy Transition Investment Plan (JET-IP), which includes concessional loans, grants and other funds. This remark was allegedly made in reference to the idea that 'some people must eat a little bit' - a phrase commonly used by politicians when discussing corruption and rent extraction in developing countries. The two ministers have denied making the statement, with one aide claiming that it is not Minister Pravin Gordhan's language. Minister of Forestry, Fisheries and the Environment, Barbara Creecy also stated she could not recall any such discussion. However, both ministers remain strongly opposed to corruption, as does De Ruyter himself. Countries involved in the plan are concerned about potential political interests taking advantage of it for their own gain and are eager for assurance of its governance and accountability.
Which minister told former Eskom boss André de Ruyter, ‘you have to enable some people to eat a little bit’? From left: Environment Minister Barbara Creecy. (Photo: Islam Safwat / Bloomberg via Getty Images) | Public Enterprises Minister Pravin Gordhan. (Photo: Guillem Sartorio / Bloomberg via Getty Images)

‘In order to pursue the greater good, you have to enable some people to eat a little bit,” is what Eskom’s former CEO, André de Ruyter, said a senior government minister had told him. He disclosed this during an interview with eNCA’s Annika Larsen, which revealed the extent to which State Capture is continuing at Eskom.

De Ruyter said he feared oversight and governance of the government’s $8.5-billion Just Energy Transition Investment Plan (JET-IP), which includes concessional loans, grants and other funds, would be watered down to allow political interests to take a cut from the world’s second-biggest transfer of green energy funding from the rich to the developing world.

Two Cabinet ministers who worked closely with De Ruyter have denied that it was they who made the remark.  The two are Minister of Public Enterprises, Pravin Gordhan, to whom De Ruyter reported, and Minister of Forestry, Fisheries and the Environment, Barbara Creecy, who partnered with the former utility boss to negotiate the green transition mega deal at the COP27 meeting in Egypt last year.

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Gordhan told Newzroom Afrika that De Ruyter had spoken to him about corruption at Eskom. However, Gordhan’s aides denied that he had, in turn, told De Ruyter to expect some shrinkage.

“I don’t think that is the Minister’s language. PG (Pravin Gordhan) is not in any peripheral way involved with the JET-IP,” said one aide. The minister calls himself a “progressive pragmatist”, said the official, but he had a history of opposing corruption and his pragmatism did not include allowable corruption.

“Minister Pravin Gordhan would like to state for the record that he abhors corruption in all its manifestations and condemns it in the strongest terms,” said Public Enterprises spokesperson Richard Mantu.

“The Minister urges all South Africans, regardless of their positions in society, to distinguish between suspicion, rumour and evidence. We also know that state capture in the formal sense might have ended, but corruption is still a scourge we must eradicate from our entities and Eskom is no exception in this regard,” he said.

Barbara Creecy’s office said she couldn’t recall a discussion with De Ruyter that some people had to “eat” from the green energy investment programme.

“Minister Creecy doesn’t recall discussing Eskom and the governance of the $8.5-billion from the international partners with Mr De Ruyter. She remains strongly opposed to corruption,” said her spokesperson, Albi Modise.

She said the National Treasury had led and concluded loan negotiations with the French and German development banks.

“Currently, the Presidential Climate Commission is consulting stakeholders on the content of the investment plan and on issues relating to governance, implementation and accountability. The outcomes of these consultations will inform how the plan will be implemented and necessary governance arrangements established,” said Modise.

Countries that negotiated and will fund the plan are getting jittery at the lack of political commitment and the corruption allegations that have surfaced around the plan. They include the UK, Germany and France.

Daily Maverick’s Ethan van Diemen reported below on the groundbreaking and much-heralded plan.

https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2022-11-12-what-the-world-is-learning-from-south-africas-nascent-just-energy-transition-investment-plan/

De Ruyter did not respond to a request for comment. DM

Explainer

Where does the philosophy of “some people must eat a little bit” come from?

If, like me, you cover politics, the line De Ruyter heard would be a phrase quite common in political circles, from the ANC to opposition parties which govern in cities like Johannesburg, where I live.

The genesis traces back to a story often told by government officials and politicians. It is of a post-colonial African country (variously Uganda, Kenya or even Nigeria) and its South East Asian counterpart (variously Malaysia or Singapore).

In the story, in the South East Asian country, the allowable rent to corruption or political office-bearers is 10%, but the infrastructure (usually a bridge) is still built. In Africa, the rent extraction is 90%, and the bridge is never made.

The lesson, by the storyteller, is that in the developing world, “some people must eat a little bit”. It’s a version of this story that De Ruyter heard, and he was shocked, he told Larsen.

That story proves improbable in many African capitals, as fabulous infrastructure is rolled out. But in South Africa, we have now reached that point. The rent extraction is so extensive that the infrastructure does not get built at all, or does not function well for the cost.

The defective Medupi and Kusile power stations, for example, are a big part of why the high-stage power cuts are ruining South Africa. DM

Comments (10)

Sam Shu Feb 28, 2023, 09:55 AM

In Asia (and in every country in the world), those in government make sure to take the odd golden egg. In South Africa, our government is sitting around the braai pit eating the golden goose. Even our corruption is incompetent

Chantal Smuts Feb 28, 2023, 12:14 PM

"I don't think ..." and "can't recall" are both pretty damning. No emphatic "absolutely not".

jairo.arrow Feb 28, 2023, 02:16 PM

??

Ernest Esterhuizen Feb 28, 2023, 12:23 PM

Gwedi Mantashe once said on television that "We did not struggle to be poor." That is exactly what they have ensured. With the latest revelations, it now makes sense why he has been insisting that Eskom falls under his portfolio and why he has consistently been gunning for De Ruyter publicly. Gordhan in turn knew why he urged people to connect the dots - to take focus off himself and cover his own backside. I believe that the biggest stumbling block to dealing correctly with the cartel revelations is going to be Cyril.

Stuart Orr Mar 3, 2023, 08:57 AM

A conspiracy theorist would say that Gweezy has created/caused the breakdown of Eskom in order to declare the State of disaster in order to enable the Karpowerships deal to be done as he will directly prosper from the deal

Michael Hayman Feb 28, 2023, 12:57 PM

What a disgusting bunch of politicians we have. Almost every one in their positions owing a favour to one of their cronies so none will step out of line.

LEON WASSERFALL Feb 28, 2023, 02:37 PM

That remains the legacy of the ANC and the hordes of cadres feasting of the economy, they eat and gorge themselves to the point of bursting, of the food they did not make or even cultivated or by any means earned, not able or willing to catch the proverbial fish, while they can steal from others.

Carol Stewart Feb 28, 2023, 02:55 PM

Usually 'I don't recall that conversation' is a dead giveaway...

Jon Quirk Mar 1, 2023, 07:07 AM

Translation - "I certainly know it to be the case, but I'm pretty certain I have never been fool enough to say it, on camera, in public, because then I would have been fired".

Rory Short Mar 1, 2023, 03:52 PM

The ANC's political cry for freedom actually also carried a hidden message of, freedom to steal from the public purse.

Claerwen Howie Jun 6, 2023, 03:44 PM

De Ruyter's book - Truth to Power - should be mandatory reading for ALL South Africans. The contents are truly terrifying.

kerryvs Mar 4, 2023, 07:01 AM

Why is it that these ANC Ministers always have selective memories? Funny how they can never ‘recall’ any conversations that would implicate them. They are all so rotten to the core, without any conscience, that they started believing their lies years ago. State Capture is not over by any means, the looting & corruption just continues on a grander scale without the lable of ‘State Capture’. PG sat in his Communist Ivory tower while his comrades looted & pillaged this country & then professed to be anti-corruption & that he had no idea what was going on (just like his comrade Ramauseless). They are all complicit & should be tried for crimes against humanity - orange overalls for all of them. Let us start again with a clean slate & build this country up to where it could be & try to forget that the ANC ever existed.

Deirdre Lubbe Sep 6, 2023, 03:07 PM

Have often wondered if the presidency or any of the ministers have attempted get the details .... if not, why?

Kevin Busby Nov 22, 2023, 08:34 AM

Cry the beloved country. The late Alan Paton must be spinning in his grave instead of resting in peace. Makes one proud to be a South African.....just saying