De Kock apologises for withdrawing from team but questions timing of CSA ‘take knee’ directive

And then, Quiny educates us all.

I sincerely hope that Quinton has educated the woke fascists on this forum who leapt to conclusions on zero evidence. Perhaps this journalist too. Well done Quinton for showing CSA what a bunch of tin-pot dictators they are. But the man a bells and remember only Nazis force other people to salute them.

One thing I've learned during this whole saga, is the despicable behaviour of CSA. I really don't know what they were trying to achieve (which they call unity), but they failed miserably. The chairman made an absolute fool of himself, but what disgusts me more is that there are some credible people on the board of CSA. including Adv. Arendse and Andrew Hudson (former Protea opening batsman). To me it seems that this dictatorial decision to instruct players to take a knee at short notice was a-typical ANC behaviour, and also an effort to score brownie point with a useless minister of sport, art and culture. They think they earned respect from people, and think players must take the knee to them because they are THE BOARD. Cricket lovers don't care about you, they care about the sport and its players. If the ANC gets 50% or more of the vote in the municipal elections, their arrogance will just grow and grow, and ANC municipal majors and councillors will no doubt expect citizens to go down on both their knees, with both arms in the air, in a praying salute. Quinton, I have had the greatest respect for you since I first heard of you when you were only 17 years old, and how you behaved yourself on and off the field, including being the captain of the under-19 Proteas. Since then you have became one of our star players, on equal footing with AB, Dale, and Rabada. Put this thing behind you, as you have more character than all the CSA board members combined

My religion taught me that I bow to no man only to G-d Mr Naidu and the rest of CSA you have shown us you are nothing but cheap RACISTS. You are only creating more devision amongst our people or are you acting on instruction from that useless comrade minister??Quinton keep you head up and don’t let these goons from CSAback you into a corner. Ex cricket lover.

Once again, great debate between intelligent people, both sides showing understanding of the stance, and being big enough to apologise. I like that, creates atmosphere of understanding for both Party’s & Players. More of this kind of interaction for SA ??

Well done Quinny, a very mature response and I appreciated your support for Temba Bavuma who appears to have kept a cool head throughout. And the quick poll put out showed a 74,17% support for you and your stance at the last count. If we go back in history to Lorgat forcing AB de Villiers into taking an injured Philander into an important game with threats of legal action if he stood down as he threatened to do, to the very political current team selection leaving the likes of FAF du Plessis out to name only one , it is clear that CSA have not learned anything from history and have no desire to win coveted titles on the international stage. That's what happens when a group of essentially non cricketers with political connections are foisted on a sport like cricket, their self serving ambitions come to the fore. I will be supporting one of the other teams if only to spare myself the disappointment of our National team being placed at a disadvantage by such a motley crew of incompetent administrators from the President of CSA downwards.

How much better I would feel if CSA instructed the Proteas to "take the knee" to draw attention to the appalling daily murders of mainly black South Africans (around 50/day) or the equally appalling statistics for gender-based violence in South Africa. Now that would be a meaningful gesture.

CSA's apology is a tad thin. "The CSA Board regrets that the timing of its directive earlier this week may have been unsettling for the players in the lead-up to the match against the West Indies." May have been? It's a royal duck, CSA.

De Kock is revealing his weaknesses - lack of integrity, maturity and professionalism - all of which his captain Bavuma has in abundance. Whatever his personal views, beliefs, etc the thing to do is to support your captain and your team - and then have the dissenting conversation - not the other way around!

Some people have a natural resistance to being obliged to follow meaningless gestures. Yes, take your hat off when entering a church not to be obviously offensive, but don't ask me to kiss an inanimate object. Or take Larry David who refuses to say "thank you for your service " to an ex marine to the dismay of those around him. Why should group thinking force a person to follow a ritual to prove they are like thinking and why indeed should anybody be forced to wear his heart on his sleeve. Having said that, no public figure in the UK will dare not to wear a poppy on 11 November, and no American politician will dare not to bow his head in prayer, even if he is wondering when lunch will be served

CSA still highlighting their "stupidity" and political involvement. What do Bafana Bafana do before matches? Also the other teams who "took the knee" did so voluntarily and not on instructions. What about showing the same gesture for "violence against women" where SA has the unenviable record as the worst in the world. Finally surely it is time that sport is run by sportsmen and women, and not by self seeking persons.

well said Mr De Kock and you are more of a man than any of those idiots who called you a racist and the CSA board who took your freedom of choice away. they should be apologising to the nation but none of them have a spine as has been shown with their management of Cricket SA.

Like many woke journalists, Firdose Moonda is retrospectively bending the story to validate her initial clearly emotional rather than rational response. Moonda: “The act of taking a knee has been described as a gesture of antiracism, rather than a gesture in support of Black Lives Matter, and that is another significant point. Although BLM has become synonymous with the fight against racism, the two do not have to be the same thing, especially in a country like South Africa, where the right for racial equality predates the BLM movement. The BLM organisation is seen by some in South Africa (and elsewhere) as a radical political, and even Marxist, movement rather than a civil-rights activist collective that speaks to global issues of exclusion.” CSA original statement: “Concerns were raised that the different postures taken by team members in support of the BLM initiative created an unintended perception of disparity or lack of support for the initiative.” This is what’s known as “moving the goalposts”. It’s just not cricket, indeed. Firdose admits that BLM is a contraversial political movement and so in order to justify her visceral support for 'taking the knee' she waves her magic wand and claims effectively that 'this was never about BLM'. Unfortunately for her nobody bothered to tell reality the same thing - the CSA had already spoken. This is a very simple case of compelled political association. The woke of course dress it up as a virtuous discussion about racism. It's very clear tho that those in support are after control and even retribution (Quinton is a white racist - he needs to be punished for Apartheid). This is Fascism. Beware!

Well done Quinton. And especially well done Temba. You guys are the heroes and you did everything 100% correctly. I won't say anything about CSA because there is nothing to say about an institution of nobodies doing nothing.

For Craig Ray to ponder. Is the presence of Taliban hats in support of Afghanistan in the crowds a stronger cultural message than "taking the knee"? One does know exactly what one is "kneeling down" before? I feel sorry for Micheal Holding. He has positioned himself on support for BLM - the American "Black Lives Matter" movement, rather than just non-racial approach to life. Mr Holding like Mr Sowell before him are against quotas according to his contribution to the very political and retributal "social justice" interrogation into SA cricket. Makaya Ntini was an outsider? Of course he was. He had no way to even engage with most of the rest of the team. Totally different background. Unfortunately for him, minority background. Mark Boucher has done really good work with the SA team to ensure that it is cohesive. Ngidi and vd Dussen can choose to deliberately support BLM by taking the knee. Everyone else can choose their own gesture, or none. The team had worked on this for almost a year. They are a team with understanding and respect for each other. Unfortunately the tin pot dictators chose to step in. J Reddy or Graham Falken, I would like you to both reflect on your personal life. Do you judge quiet white people as obviously racist? If so, and it seems you are those people - you are the racists in our society. Everyone thought Quinton de Kock was a whitey racist. I thought he was a coloured like me - not interested in black political statements. Turns out it is a bit of everything. Remember only fascists or totaliarians require everyone to salute you. The "taking the knee" will become a joke sooner or later. Trust me. Ozimandias anyone?

Craig Ray, you need to think of what psychological impact deliberate quotas or BEE or even triple BEE have on the recipients of that quota. And we have to take that judgement of racial quota in the SA context according to the real impact it has. Demographic skin colour or cadre deployment strategy will only reinforce racial judgements, and yes from a coloured western cape perspective too. The problem with Makaya Ntini and Ashwell Prince is that everyone was left to themselves in the old days. It is not surprising that they felt like outsiders. I always thought Ashwell Prince was under-appreciated. But that's my coloured bias. The rest of the racial quota wannabes - Tsotsobe? Good bowler but didn't last cos he was clearly just lazy. Compare him to Dale Steyn who he kept out of the SA side for a while cos - well - quotas. A black skin is more important than basic commitment or skills. This is what we all know and what sir Micheal Holding said. I'm just so sad that he supports BLM. Does he honestly think that his kids would be better raised in state institutions than with him? Does he really think that the overthrow of capitalism will make blacker people like us prosper? I don't think so. I think all radical political movements like BLM are very childish. So are salutes to those political movements. I'm OK if childish people want to take childish political positions. That's their right. But please don't force me to take your position because I will take guns against you like I did against Apartheid. Graham Falken were you even alive in those days?