South Africa

DAILY MAVERICK WEBINAR

Think-tank director relates the ‘untold story’ that led to State Capture

Think-tank director relates the ‘untold story’ that led to State Capture
GAPP director Ivor Chipkin and Daily Maverick Associate Editor Marianne Thamm (centre). (Photos: Supplied)

The story of State Capture in South Africa goes far deeper than corruption, says Ivor Chipkin, leading scholar and director of the Government and Public Policy think-tank.

“We have to understand that the ANC is a place where a whole variety of elites, from local [to] regional elites, come together and contest and compete for authority,” Ivor Chipkin, leading scholar and director of the Government and Public Policy (GAPP) think-tank told Daily Maverick’s Marianne Thamm in a Daily Maverick webinar on Wednesday. 

The webinar comes in the wake of GAPP’s submission of a report, Making Sense of State Capture, to the Zondo Commission that details how the ANC has maintained political office through unconstitutional and criminal means. 

The five-chapter report, authored by Chipkin, is telling, because the struggle today is for the very integrity of the state itself, said Thamm. The details of corruption that continue to be revealed at the Zondo Commission indicate that the rules of the political game are defined by the ANC, she said. 

Earlier this month, Thamm wrote that the leveraging of taxpayers’ money to fund and hold on to power had become so commonplace that it was now part of the party’s DNA.

“The ANC is in a sense eating up the country. It’s eating up our resources and what is meant for the voter,” she said in the webinar. 

Chipkin, one of South Africa’s leading thinkers on government, said he submitted the report to help the commission better distinguish between corruption and State Capture. 

While State Capture can be understood as tremendous corruption, the two are not the same, he told Thamm. But the submission of the report also intended to make a political argument: State Capture is not just about corruption. 

It goes far deeper and the stakes are high, Chipkin said. 

“It is not just a Hollywood story of goodies versus baddies. This is a very complex country with a very complex history trying to come to terms with incredible deep-seated divisions through the resources that are currently available.” 

Chipkin said the report was intended to situate State Capture as a historical phenomenon, in relation to how South Africa emerged from colonialism, became a democracy and the massive challenges that came with these transitions. 

Chipkin was one of the academics who wrote the 2017 report, The Betrayal of the Promise, one of the first studies of State Capture. He co-authored Shadow State: The Politics of State Capture, and founded and directed the Public Affairs Research Institute at Wits University.

“We forget that 20th century South Africa is largely a story of the last 50 years of the National Party deliberately trying to break the state up into a whole lot of different countries,” he said. 

“We know the project fails… [but] we often dismiss the homelands and the Bantustans as puppet governments and in doing that, we don’t recognise that by the end of the apartheid era these were substantial entities.” 

When the ANC came into power in 1994, the party sought to integrate Bantustan officials and traditional leaders in efforts to stabilise the country, Chipkin said. 

The project, allowing homeland officials to gain power over the distribution of senior positions in the public service, is South Africa’s greatest untold story and led to State Capture, Chipkin said. 

In the homeland governments, things happened on the basis of personal connection, argued Chipkin. 

“That culture enters many of the post-apartheid administrations, especially at provincial and local government level. I think it goes a long way to explain why things don’t happen on the basis of policy or on the basis of regulation and law.

“They happen largely through these very complex, unstable and changing personal networks that people find themselves in.” 

Chipkin pointed out that the ANC has never regarded itself as a political party. 

“It has always regarded itself as a liberation movement. The ANC doesn’t see itself as representing particular interests and competing with other parties; the ANC has long understood itself as the people itself.” 

Now, the ANC needed to start thinking of itself as a political party, Chipkin argued, and the public service had to be professionalised, guaranteeing long-term careers for people.

The current situation could play out in three ways, he said. 

The first scenario — a democratic one — is where the elites leave the ANC, resulting in the expansion of South Africa’s political party space. 

The second scenario, if the elites stay in the ANC, sees the deepening of contestation. 

The third scenario sees the elites taking power through criminality and violence. It was possible that all could happen simultaneously, he said. DM

Gallery

Comments - Please in order to comment.

  • Ken Harley says:

    Thank you for this superb webinar. It’s the most incisive and compelling account of events I’ve yet come across.

  • Chris 123 says:

    Good perspective

  • Kenneth Southey says:

    In the early 1990’s Basil Davidson wrote “The Black Man’s Burden” – Africa and the Curse of the Nation-State.
    I suspect Africa’s curse to be liberation movements. This is certainly true of Zimbabwe and it looks like South Africa under the leadership of the ANC is on track for similar failure. While the legacy of the Bantustans and other colonial ills may well have had an impact on our fate, I believe our predicament is largely the result of the failures of the ANC governing elite. To expect the ANC to be supportive of and enable an independent civil service is wishful thinking. Mandela argued that generous salaries for Cabinet and MP’s would help to prevent corruption. I suspect the opposite has been true and it has only stoked the fire for corruption. Ditto for the very generous benefits for the recipients of BEE transactions.
    Our prospects don’t look great. One good thing the ANC has done was the “child grants” despite some controversy with the the implantation there off.

  • James Harrison says:

    Thank you for an insightful discussion. However, I am bothered by the implication that we must be understanding of the ANC and its crimes in light of history and its complexities. Ethically, I believe that attitude is unsupportable. The ANC itself claims to believe in democracy and the rule of law, so surely we are entitled to judge it harshly when it behaves undemocratically and illegally? If we continually make excuses for their bad behaviour and fail to hold officeholders accountable for their actions, what hope can the country have for better governance? (As an aside, I believe that exactly the same standards should be applied to criminals of the apartheid regime, who are also able to invoke history in their defence.)

Please peer review 3 community comments before your comment can be posted

X

This article is free to read.

Sign up for free or sign in to continue reading.

Unlike our competitors, we don’t force you to pay to read the news but we do need your email address to make your experience better.


Nearly there! Create a password to finish signing up with us:

Please enter your password or get a sign in link if you’ve forgotten

Open Sesame! Thanks for signing up.

We would like our readers to start paying for Daily Maverick...

…but we are not going to force you to. Over 10 million users come to us each month for the news. We have not put it behind a paywall because the truth should not be a luxury.

Instead we ask our readers who can afford to contribute, even a small amount each month, to do so.

If you appreciate it and want to see us keep going then please consider contributing whatever you can.

Support Daily Maverick→
Payment options

Daily Maverick Elections Toolbox

Feeling powerless in politics?

Equip yourself with the tools you need for an informed decision this election. Get the Elections Toolbox with shareable party manifesto guide.