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DA DEGREEGATE

Fact-checking Natasha Mazzone’s qualifications claims

In the aftermath of the exposure of DA Western Cape leader Bonginkosi Madikizela claiming a BCom degree he had not earned, questions have been asked about the party’s chief whip. Natasha Mazzone says she has been open about not finishing her law degree — but says that she did do legal articles.
Rebecca Davis
NatashaM-becs option 1 DA chief whip Natasha Mazzone. (Photo: Gallo Images / Sowetan / Esa Alexander)

Has the DA’s Chief Whip, Natasha Mazzone, been dishonest about her educational background? In particular, has Mazzone claimed to hold a law qualification that she actually never completed?

This was the question that began to circulate both within the party and on social media following the publication of a Daily Maverick article on 13 April revealing that the party’s Western Cape leader, Bonginkosi Madikizela, was publicly claiming a BCom degree he had not actually earned.

Mazzone is not the only DA figure facing this kind of accusation in the aftermath of the Madikizela scandal. Questions have also been asked of the DA’s Saldanha Bay Mayor Marius Koen and Western Cape MEC for Human Settlements Tertuis Simmers, with Koen under investigation by the party.

What drew suspicion to Mazzone initially was the apparent editing of her Wikipedia page — after the Madikizela news broke — to remove a reference to her being an “advocate” by training. This was publicised by the Good party’s Brett Herron as evidence of suspicious behaviour.

As others pointed out, however, this could hardly be viewed as a “smoking gun”, given that Wikipedia entries may be written and edited by anyone. (Indeed, for this reason, Daily Maverick did not cite Madikizela’s Wikipedia entry as proof of his qualifications deception in our article on the subject, even though his Wikipedia page also awarded him a BCom he did not have.)   

Herron has continued to beat the drum with regard to Mazzone’s qualifications, suggesting that the chief whip should be suspended, like Madikizela. Mazzone has not had disciplinary action taken against her, Herron and others have suggested, due to the fact that she is an ally of DA leader John Steenhuisen and/or because she is white.

Under attack on Twitter, Mazzone proceeded to give further details about her educational background, which had the opposite effect to that intended. Rather than convincing the sceptics, Mazzone’s additional information caused disbelief and confusion: primarily, her claim that she had completed her legal articles without having completed a law degree.

This claim struck many as outlandish.

Daily Maverick contacted Mazzone to ask for evidence of her claims, which we received within an hour.

Fact: Mazzone wrote matric at The Glen High School, Pretoria, in 1996

Mazzone sent a testimonial written by former Glen headmaster A Wilcocks on 12 November 1996, which confirms that Mazzone had been a pupil of the school since January 1992 “and is presently writing the Gauteng Senior Certificate examination”. It also includes details of Mazzone’s high school activities.

Fact: Mazzone passed matric with university exemption

This detail is printed on Mazzone’s academic transcript from Unisa, which Daily Maverick has seen.

Fact: Mazzone was enrolled at the University of Pretoria from 1997 to 2001

It is unclear how much progress Mazzone made towards a degree during this five-year period. But another testimonial — this one from Tuks Dean of Students Professor Flip van der Watt — makes it evident that she was extremely active in student politics during this time, including serving as the speaker of the Students' Representative Council (SRC) from 2000-2001.

Mazzone did not complete her degree at the University of Pretoria, for reasons she did not disclose to Daily Maverick.

Fact: After leaving the University of Pretoria, Mazzone enrolled at Unisa in 2002

Daily Maverick has seen Mazzone’s transcript from Unisa, which shows that she began taking courses towards a Bachelor of Laws in September 2002. She took further courses in 2003, 2007, and 2010, but did not receive sufficient credits to receive her law degree. The transcript states: “The above qualification has not been completed.”

Fact: Mazzone did her legal articles between 2002 and 2007

Daily Maverick received documentation proving that Mazzone — who at that stage was going by her first married surname, Michael — undertook legal articles between 2002 and 2007 under Victor Williams at Hahn & Hahn Attorneys. The documentation notes that she completed her articles in accordance with Section 5(3) of the Attorneys Act, which specified that a candidate could complete articles in five years if they were still studying towards a Bachelor of Laws.

Daily Maverick has confirmed with two legal practitioners that it would indeed have been possible in 2002 to do one’s articles without yet having a law degree.

Fact: Mazzone completed a practical legal training course through LEAD

Mazzone sent her certificate from training organisation LEAD (Legal Education & Development), which shows that she “attended and completed a practical legal training course” over 25 days in 2004.

Summary: Mazzone’s Twitter claims were accurate

In other words, the claims Mazzone made on Twitter as to her educational background when challenged were correct.

This does not, of course, speak to the question of how Mazzone presented herself within the DA in terms of her qualifications.

Daily Maverick dug up a number of old newspaper profiles of Mazzone during her early days in the DA, where she was described as being in the course of studying for a law degree. This was accurate at the time: Mazzone was indeed studying law through Unisa until May 2010, when her efforts in that regard seem to have ceased.

Daily Maverick was unable to find a verifiable example of an official document or media feature in which Mazzone is stated to have earned a law degree. Indeed, there are numerous instances in which Mazzone has referred to herself wryly as a “matriculant” or “university dropout”.

Mazzone also sent Daily Maverick a clip from a 1 July 2018 TV interview about the party’s federal legal commission in which she can be seen saying: “Now, I’m not a lawyer, and I don’t claim to be.”

It has also been suggested that Mazzone is not eligible to serve on the DA’s Federal Legal Commission due to the fact that she did not complete her legal qualification.

The DA constitution, however, states that the Federal Legal Commission should consist of “up to 60 members” of whom at least 30 must be legally qualified and a further 10 should be accredited mediators. In other words, it is acceptable for 20 members of the commission to be laypersons if a further 40 have the necessary legal backgrounds.

Conclusion: Daily Maverick has yet to see evidence that Natasha Mazzone has been officially misrepresenting her academic background. DM

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Bryan Mitchell 27 April 2021 10:18 PM

Well done DM for actually doing the legwork...... those clowns at News 24 could learn a thing or two

Robert Mckay 28 April 2021 04:06 AM

Yes, excellent reporting.

Andrew Johnson 28 April 2021 11:12 AM

Fully agree, at last a news organisation that reports facts.

Glyn Morgan 28 April 2021 02:28 PM

Right!

User 28 April 2021 02:16 AM

I have a high regard for Mazzone as a politician. But unfortunately this article highlight a common truth. Our country are being lead by a bunch of under-qualified loud mouths. The louder you scream, the better the chance you will be heard, despite not having the mental capability

Robert Mckay 28 April 2021 04:06 AM

Bill Gates and Elon Musk might beg to differ.

Jane Crankshaw 28 April 2021 10:16 AM

Although Donald Trump is a good example of screaming loudly whilst being mentally deficient....in my opinion! Lol!

Jane Crankshaw 28 April 2021 10:18 AM

And the heads of some otherSA political parties - talk about mental deficiencies!

Glyn Morgan 28 April 2021 10:41 AM

So if you have a high regard for her as a politician her academic qualifications are irrelevant. I have a Masters without going to university, but I would not make a good politician.

aitchie 28 April 2021 11:54 AM

A master mariner is a licensed mariner who holds the highest grade of seafarer qualification; namely, an unlimited master's license.

Glyn Morgan 28 April 2021 02:31 PM

Right! A deep-sea truck driver!

Clinton Herring 28 April 2021 06:04 AM

The only qualification you need to be at the top at the DA is a demonstrable willingness to further white supremacy.

Karl Sittlinger 28 April 2021 06:53 AM

Complete and utter BS...

Rob Glenister 28 April 2021 07:34 AM

Your Good colours are showing.

Simon D 28 April 2021 06:30 PM

Does the Good Party even still exist? What on earth do they even do all day? I cannot think of a bunch of more useless clowns, not even the ANC, at least they pretend to do something.

Glyn Morgan 28 April 2021 08:34 PM

Good Party are supported by the ANC to gripe about the DA. ANC proxies! What is the name of their leader? I forgot.

Gerrie Pretorius Pretorius 28 April 2021 07:50 AM

Typical fallback reaction from a racist ....

Jane Crankshaw 28 April 2021 10:23 AM

All stupid politicians that scream loudly are racists.....again in my opinion! A clear thinking, honest, moral politician is hard to find these days. Generally human behavior is generally disappointing because we are, after all, only human!

Glyn Morgan 28 April 2021 11:27 AM

Said like a true stone mason!

Glyn Morgan 28 April 2021 10:43 AM

?

Fanie Rajesh 28 April 2021 07:03 PM

yawn.

Timothy Van Blerck 28 April 2021 09:15 PM

I had to have a laugh at the "triggered" responses from the tribe you attacked there

Chris 29 April 2021 02:12 AM

... sounds like a Red Herring..

Gazeley 29 April 2021 11:35 AM

As opposed to Black supremacy ala the ANC - no qualifications needed - take our former president - other than a masters degree from the university of life on how to sew racial disharmony and how to play the role of victim he has no formal qualification. Hard for you to comment on black racialism?

Old Man 28 April 2021 07:31 AM

It was apparent after ANC members lying about their qualification that the DA should have had a quality committee to check all their office bearer qualifications to prevent bounce back which the ANC uses to deflect attention to very serious issues which are always going on. DA get your internal quality assurance sorted out.

John 28 April 2021 08:29 AM

Brett, get a job.

Fanie Rajesh 28 April 2021 07:07 PM

Ha ha - there is living proof that it's possible to be good, bad and ugly :)

L Nauta 28 April 2021 08:29 AM

I admire Natasha. She is a fighter - with perfectly manicured nails. And brings a bit of glamour to the pityful state of politics in our country.

Glyn Morgan 28 April 2021 11:30 AM

Right! Herron has got himself a headache from now well into the future! He! He!

Gerhard Pretorius 28 April 2021 08:39 AM

Mazzone survived proper scrutiny. Congrats. Is it asking too much from the DA to now maintain the moral highground whilst simultaneously intensifying efforts for the greater good of all?

Penelope Meyer 28 April 2021 09:24 AM

This is an obvious effort by the "Good" Mr Herron to stir before the local government elections. The obvious difference between Ms Mazzone and Mr Madikizela is the latter claimed to have a degree that he did not in fact have, where as Ms Mazzone did not.

Johann Eybers 28 April 2021 09:59 AM

Maybe an apology from Brett Herron is appropriate here .... Seems like the Good Party is not as good as they say with facts.

Glyn Morgan 28 April 2021 10:46 AM

The Good Party are ANC proxies.

Karl Sittlinger 28 April 2021 12:17 PM

This was just a smear campaign by Bret Herron, and so many people already came to the wrong conclusion before having any facts. I wonder if these people have the same diligence and outrage with other political parties considerably worse shenanigans...

Glyn Morgan 28 April 2021 10:37 AM

Viva DM, fact checking par eccelance! PS: Rebecca Davis, please write one of your juicy articles on the duplicity of Brett Herron and just how little the Good Party digs on the ANC. I believe Herron and the Good party are ANC proxies. Cheers!

Simon D 28 April 2021 06:34 PM

Herron is just sour the DA doesn't want him.

Glyn Morgan 28 April 2021 08:37 PM

He has nowhere left to go.

Pieter Schoombee 28 April 2021 11:55 AM

Good journalism. Let's hope this is the end of Herron's red herring.

Paddy Ross 28 April 2021 03:58 PM

Rebecca, I have hitherto regarded you as a passionate anti-DA journalist. Maybe you are so but I admire your honesty and integrity displayed in this article - qualities that are in scarce supply these days.

Brendan Daly 28 April 2021 08:36 PM

Well done again DM. It sounded cooked up to start with. Dipstick with a herring yeah

Larry 28 April 2021 10:41 PM

Pity the heading for the article did not say upfront that she told the truth at all times. Hope Mr Herron apologises for his insinuations.

Dhasagan Pillay 29 April 2021 08:28 AM

I'm left wondering if Covid ate the moderators' keyboards. You'd think the majority of commenters here fornicated with the next one's partner; and Apartheid apologists are writing like they talk to their buddies at braais on others. Most not commenting on the actual article. DM?

Gazeley 29 April 2021 11:41 AM

Dhasagan, not sure what article or responses you are referring to - parallel universe maybe?

Bruce Watney 29 April 2021 08:35 AM

Why cant i post my comments. The post box disappears after a certain amount of characters. It’s infuriating. Please do something about it. Thank you.