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title: "Judgment Date with Judge Dennis Davis, Episode 1: Mark Swilling"
description: "In this first episode in Daily Maverick's new series of Zoom interviews, Judge Dennis Davis talks to Mark Swilling, Professor of Sustainable Development, Co-Director: Centre for Complex Systems in Transition at Stellenbosch University. Watch the video for a fascinating discussion about President Ramaphosa, Eskom, sustainable energy and many other topics that these top intellectuals covered in their 30-minute discussion."
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publisher: "Daily Maverick"
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section: "Maverick Interview"
author: "Dennis Davis"
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canonical_url: "https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2020-04-21-judgement-day-with-judge-dennis-davis-episode-1-mark-swilling/"
published: "2020-04-21T01:34:43"
updated: "2020-04-21T08:10:25"
lang: "en-ZA"
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# Judgment Date with Judge Dennis Davis, Episode 1: Mark Swilling

> In this first episode in Daily Maverick's new series of Zoom interviews, Judge Dennis Davis talks to Mark Swilling, Professor of Sustainable Development, Co-Director: Centre for Complex Systems in Transition at Stellenbosch University. Watch the video for a fascinating discussion about President Ramaphosa, Eskom, sustainable energy and many other topics that these top intellectuals covered in their 30-minute discussion.

By Dennis Davis · Published 21 April 2020, 03:34 SAST · Updated 21 April 2020, 10:10 SAST

## Content

[YouTube video: "YouTube video"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIBk4AWqVZk)