---
title: "WATCH:"
description: "Jay Naidoo, Sisonke Msimang, Iraj Abedian, Mark Heywood, Zwelinzima Vavi and Robert McBride engage in a spirited debate about the state of South Africa with Marianne Thamm and John Perlman, at Nando's Daily Maverick The Gathering in Johannesburg on June 10."
type: "NewsArticle"
publisher: "Daily Maverick"
site: "https://www.dailymaverick.co.za"
section: "South Africa"
author: "Daily Maverick Editorial Team"
author_url: "https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/author/dailymaverickeditorialteam/"
canonical_url: "https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2016-06-12-watch/"
published: "2016-06-12T21:53:24"
lang: "en-ZA"
---

# WATCH:

> Jay Naidoo, Sisonke Msimang, Iraj Abedian, Mark Heywood, Zwelinzima Vavi and Robert McBride engage in a spirited debate about the state of South Africa with Marianne Thamm and John Perlman, at Nando's Daily Maverick The Gathering in Johannesburg on June 10.

By Daily Maverick Editorial Team · Published 12 June 2016, 23:53 SAST

## Content

[YouTube video: "YouTube video"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVdJCBEMkEU)